atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
Because if there wasn't anything, we wouldn't be thinking about something.
This is the answer for "there's something?".
But if everything inevitably returns to nothing then something is not the default but a disturbance.
What caused this disturbance? And why? Must be something beyond nothing.
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
If the greatest equalizer is oblivion or nothingness.
What and why disturbed this nothing?
Why there's something rather than nothing?
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
The infinite regress can only be treated with logic.
And thought experiments are in realm of logic. You can't apply the scientific method in this case. No matter what Scientism says about this.
The most popular thought experiment about the infinite regress is the shooting soldiers.
We start with the axiom of the existence of something.
Something exists. Why there's something instead of nothing? Because there's a cause or infinite regress?
There's something. Let's say this something is a gunshot.
Imagine a row (tending to infinity) of soldiers. Every soldier ask to his superior behind (representing the hierarchical chain of cause and effect) an order to shoot.
Let's suppose that a soldier wants to shoot a bullet, but in order to so he must receive an order from his superior, and his superior must himself receive the order from his superior .... if this chain goes to infinity, the first soldier will never shoot a bullet.
If infinite regress is real the order to shoot would never be made. But there's a gunshot (something) so must be a first cause who gave the order to shoot.
If infinite regress is true then the inevitable question arises "why there's something rather than nothing?"
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
But I don't want to be given the label of nihilist
But you really is a nihilist punk. LOL
What's the problem with a true definition?
I just don't agree with you in the grumpy label. ;)
You being a nihilist I can't give any meaningful statement to you but I can say to you someday you'll be very surprised with the fact that oblivion doesn't exist at all.
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
No you have not seen that. But i guess you'll just make up $hit as go, to try to support your idiotic position.
Actually infinite regress is indeed logically impossible. Proved by several thought experiments.
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
This is a public forum. I can go where I want. I don't need permission or a reason. AND - I can make whatever comments I chose within forum guidelines.
I was just trying to understand you. That's why I said "I (JM) don't know".
Anyway oblivion is meaningless so there's nothing to do beyond accelerate the inevitable and eternal oblivion.
To a nihilist existence is nothing but pain. That's why true nihilist are always drunk and trying to kill themselves.
Beyond that any opinion from a nihilist is literally nothing.
Theism, atheism, agnosticism, whateverism... All meaningless.
Just oblivion "matters".
Existence is only meaningless pain.
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
Good gravy, this is tedious reading.
Idk why you are here punk. Because we are trying to discuss meaning here. We believe in meaning.
A true nihilist would be drinking booze in some backstreet just waiting in torpor for oblivion.
To a nihilist even atheism is meaningless.
Why worry? Why wait? Why expect some meaning from anything?
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
A logically consistent system of thought must embrace some level of doubt (thank you Herr Gödel) as necessary.
But you're demanding proof beyond all doubt.
Don't you see any problem with this statement?
atheism = self defeating.
first may we define our terms.
the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.
2- By "prove" I mean establish beyond all reasonable doubt.
By this standard the mainstream definition of atheism is invalid.
There's PROBABLY no God. - Richard Dawkins.
Actually by this standard all definitions in human history are invalid.
BTW how can one accept this very standard as being beyond all reasonable doubt?
This standard doesn't sounds cultish to you?
this from the latest watchtower article on propaganda:.
"keep in mind that satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well.
because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if peo- ple .
The jesus thing would mean nothing, either--and allah would have been zilch in value, too.
Islam wants to rule the entire world. Like you or not.
And the only ones recorded in history capable to stop Islam are Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism.
The "milk-shake" atheism and Scientism will not stop Islam with froth.
