John_Mann

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  So according to the bible, "believing" is enough to have everlasting life.

  by NikL in

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  i am certain this has been brought up many times before.

  according to john 6.... 44 no man can come to me unless the father, who sent me, draws him,+ and i will resurrect him on the last day.+ 45 it is written in the prophets: ‘they will all be taught by jehovah.+ everyone who has listened to the father and has learned comes to me.

  46 not that any man has seen the father,+ except the one who is from god; this one has seen the father.+ 47 most truly i say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life.+.

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  Sola Fide.

  Luther wanted to ban the books of James and Revelation.

  He called the book of James as "straw letter"
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Evolution is empirically evident.

  The theory of evolution is the most established theory in science.

  Even in a literal interpretation the Bible says the earth produced man and animal. Obviously an indirect creation. The only direct creation is the immortal soul.
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  Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

  by kpop in

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  so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

  how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

  how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

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  Christians preach through conversation.

  Islam will never do this. Just violence.

  Who can stop Islam? What history says?

  One useful feature of Christianity is the ability to stop Islam. Atheists must consider this. The threat of Islam is real.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Because if there wasn't anything, we wouldn't be thinking about something.

  This is the answer for "there's something?".

  But if everything inevitably returns to nothing then something is not the default but a disturbance.

  What caused this disturbance? And why? Must be something beyond nothing.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  If the greatest equalizer is oblivion or nothingness.

  What and why disturbed this nothing?

  Why there's something rather than nothing?
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  The infinite regress can only be treated with logic.

  And thought experiments are in realm of logic. You can't apply the scientific method in this case. No matter what Scientism says about this.

  The most popular thought experiment about the infinite regress is the shooting soldiers.

  We start with the axiom of the existence of something.

  Something exists. Why there's something instead of nothing? Because there's a cause or infinite regress?

  There's something. Let's say this something is a gunshot.

  Imagine a row (tending to infinity) of soldiers. Every soldier ask to his superior behind (representing the hierarchical chain of cause and effect) an order to shoot.

  Let's suppose that a soldier wants to shoot a bullet, but in order to so he must receive an order from his superior, and his superior must himself receive the order from his superior .... if this chain goes to infinity, the first soldier will never shoot a bullet.
  

  If infinite regress is real the order to shoot would never be made. But there's a gunshot (something) so must be a first cause who gave the order to shoot.

  If infinite regress is true then the inevitable question arises "why there's something rather than nothing?"
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  But I don't want to be given the label of nihilist

  But you really is a nihilist punk. LOL

  What's the problem with a true definition?

  I just don't agree with you in the grumpy label. ;)

  You being a nihilist I can't give any meaningful statement to you but I can say to you someday you'll be very surprised with the fact that oblivion doesn't exist at all.
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  No you have not seen that. But i guess you'll just make up $hit as go, to try to support your idiotic position.

  Actually infinite regress is indeed logically impossible. Proved by several thought experiments.

  
  
  
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  John_Mann

  This is a public forum. I can go where I want. I don't need permission or a reason. AND - I can make whatever comments I chose within forum guidelines.

  I was just trying to understand you. That's why I said "I (JM) don't know".

  Anyway oblivion is meaningless so there's nothing to do beyond accelerate the inevitable and eternal oblivion.

  To a nihilist existence is nothing but pain. That's why true nihilist are always drunk and trying to kill themselves.

  Beyond that any opinion from a nihilist is literally nothing.

  Theism, atheism, agnosticism, whateverism... All meaningless.

  Just oblivion "matters".

  Existence is only meaningless pain.
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  Atheism = self defeating.

  by towerwatchman in

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  atheism = self defeating.

  first may we define our terms.

  the word atheism comes literally from the greek, alpha the negative and theos [for god], therefore “negative god” or there is no god.

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  Good gravy, this is tedious reading.

  Idk why you are here punk. Because we are trying to discuss meaning here. We believe in meaning.

  A true nihilist would be drinking booze in some backstreet just waiting in torpor for oblivion.

  To a nihilist even atheism is meaningless.

  Why worry? Why wait? Why expect some meaning from anything?