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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

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  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  Yes
  Perhaps
  Absolutely not

  Well I will not debate about the third point anymore. I decided to be impossible to conclude about your position because your position is contradictory. Reason can't cope with contradictions. Reason demands clear definitions and positions.

  But why perhaps about the second point? I noticed you always write "scientism". Why do you not accept scientism is a well defined term? My first post is about a link from AAAS about scientism. So why a very respected scientific institution would even talk about something that doesn't even exist?
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  Frankly I don't know if you have a scientistic outlook or not because your position changes from post to post. I'm not sure even you know what you think.

  Well I think your conclusion is what are really happening about Cofty's position.

  Honestly I also can't call him a scientimIST because as you said his very position is totally ambiguous.

  Sometimes he demands scientific evidence about the existence of God (which is scientism) but sometimes he says he never asked for scientific evidence and even accept other/any types of evidence.

  His clear position is atheism (based on the problem of natural evil).

  This topic is about three points:

  1) if there's knowledge outside the scientific method.

  2) if scientism itself is a philosophically well defined worldview.

  3) if Cofty is a scientimIST.

  I think we have exhausted the debate.

  1) yes.

  2) yes.

  3) impossible to conclude.

  Anyone still disagree with some point?

  
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/243524/this-man-proved-that-god-exists-he-did-effortlessly
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  The Ontological argument is a good example. I accept it as an attempt - a failed attempt - to provide evidence for god.

  The St. Anselm's ontological argument is logic (deduction by contradiction to be more specific).

  If you say it's flawed you must demonstrate why.

  I would like to see this logical demonstration.
  
  
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  THIS MAN proved that God exists and he did it effortlessly!

  by Terry in

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  2. beliefs

  meet a really smart fellow named anselm 1043--1109 a.d.. .

  he was elected abbot in lombardy in 1078 a.d.. .

  that than which nothing greater can be thought exists in the understanding.

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  John_Mann

  Good gravy. Way to necro an old thread.

  LOL

  I was thinking to make a topic about the ontological argument but this OP are so well written by Terry.

  Old but gold.
  
  
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  147

  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  @John_Mann - assuming God exists, is His life a 'physical evidence'?

  The very definition of God says He is not physical.

  We can access metaphysical existence of other things beyond God.

  Justice, love, beauty, infinity for instance are not physical entities but metaphysical ones.
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  Testimonial evidence is not reliable.

  Then you cannot accept Law.
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  @John_Mann - please explain the difference between scientific evidence and physical evidence.

  Scientific evidence is a physical evidence that can be replicated/repeated any time by will by anyone if following the same conditions that produced the physical evidence.

  Life is a physical evidence but (until now) it cannot be replicated.

  Repeatability is the difference between scientific evidence and physical evidence.

  
  
  
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  Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

  if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

  followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

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  John_Mann

  I don't think the suffix "ism" is pejorative in itself. It just implies a system of thought.

  Dogma is just an axiom in a religious context. The term axiom is most used in mathematics. In logic an axiom usually is known as premise.

  An axiom is a statement taken to be true through pure faith. It's a self evident truth.

  At the end of the day axiom, dogma and premise are the same thing.

  Scientific method is built upon several axioms.
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  THIS MAN proved that God exists and he did it effortlessly!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  meet a really smart fellow named anselm 1043--1109 a.d.. .

  he was elected abbot in lombardy in 1078 a.d.. .

  that than which nothing greater can be thought exists in the understanding.

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  John_Mann

  https://youtu.be/zCJhEZvhmCc