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  Goodbye JW net

  by snare&racket in

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  forgive me for indulging in a goodbye but it would feel wrong not to,.

  i hope the discussions and atmosphere here do not change for it is a bubbling brew of doubt, bravery and sincere hunger for answers.

  these are healthy ingrediants for humans and especially for a jehovah's witness.. this forum offers not just the ability to ask without consequence, but it also offers the means to be real.

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  Thank you for all of your contributions and I wish you the very best.

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

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  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  I have been wondering for the longest time what to do about my faith in the Bible. The fundamentalist cast the WTS has given to it was a great source of comfort and certainty during all my years as a Witness and even after I had renounced the cult, that belief still was very important to me. I don't doubt that Doug Mason's study will be a major watershed in my spiritual life.

  The saddest part about the WTS brand of fundamentalism is the great harm it has wrought not only in my life but in the lives of countless others. While professing a 'deep love and reverence' for the Creator, its theology has transformed the Bible from a competent guide to a caricature and parody of what is sacred. I can only suppose that more developments await me and I can only hope I can muster the necessary courage to face them. I want to thank Doug for his efforts and I am sure I will benefit from this latest one.

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  Are JEhovah's Witnesses reaching out to the Gay community ?

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  apostate & ex-jehovalarious meme collection.

  https://www.facebook.com/groups/jwmeme/.

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  In answer to your question, Vidiot, about same-sex marriage in California, a Witness friend in Los Angeles told me that the WTS has scrupulously avoided the topic. I had asked him what directions had been given should a door-to-door canvasser encountered a legally married same-sex couple at the door. None has been given in print or from the platform and the matter is not discussed in meetings for the canvassing work. Circuit Overseers and District Overseers have remained conspcuously silent about this as well. I think this is true in all the states where same-sex marriage is now legal. It must be particularly galling for the WTS to be headquartered in one of those states, New York, where same-sex couples now have this freedom.

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  " Why did you leave the truth?", and, "will you come back ?"

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when in conversation with jw's those questions, or varients of them, often come up.

  i have noticed though, that because of their fear of any challenge to their faith, they do not wish to hear the answers, so i have developed an answer which at least i hope accomplishes a couple of things.. what i say to the first question (why did you leave ?

  ) is "because i am a lover of truth", to the second,( will i come back ?

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  My answer to this question will be: "I love Jehovah; it's his Witnesses whom I can't stand and so no, I won't be rejoining them."

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  STOP calling JW's a CULT--unless . . . they fit the checklist!

  by Terry in

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  2. beliefs

  it is unkind, premature and even irresponsible to label people with whom we disagree using pejorative names.. for example, labeling a movement as a cult.. consider this example:.

  sociologists d. bromley and a. shupe once described what they called the tnevnoc cult.

  membership was open only to women, who were required to shave their heads, change their names, and wear specific clothing once they had entered the group.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses have earned all the pejorative terms heaped upon them. That doesn't mean there aren't decent people in their ranks. Nor does it mean that the religion is amoral. But the undeniable fact remains that despite claims to the contrary, Jehovah's Witnesses are followers of men and not Christ, "having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power and from these turn away."

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  Are JEhovah's Witnesses reaching out to the Gay community ?

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  apostate & ex-jehovalarious meme collection.

  https://www.facebook.com/groups/jwmeme/.

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  bttt
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  Disfellowshipping - Why the Governing Body can not ease up on dissenters.

  by mindnumbed in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlbwnjglymu.

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  This is just another wonderful example of art imitating life--JW life in particular.

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  The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

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  2. experiences

  please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.

  i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.

  every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.

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  Hello granada35,

  I replied to your pm back on 24 June, but you may have overlooked it. I will send you another pm and we can take it from there.

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  The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.

  i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.

  every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.

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  To put it simply and bluntly: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR LGBT PEOPLE among Jehovah's Witnesses. Being an LGBT Witness is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. I've known some celibate gay men among Jehovah's Witnesses--for that matter I was one myself. But these men are invariably unhappy if they have the honesty to admit it. As the OP states, you live a colorless, celibate and hopeless life. You cannot have what straight Witnesses can take for granted. Furthermore, you have to read and hear constant and unrelenting condemnation of your true nature from Witnerss literature and speakers' platforms. Additionally, the WTS promotes all kinds of falsehoods about the reality of being LGBT, the most pernicious of which is that full-time service, prayer and marriage can all "cure" us. And as the OP also states, we are told to wait until the new system when our nature will be purged and a completely foreign and unwanted one is given to us in its place.

  In my case, the situation was exacerbated by something I never ever expected: I fell in love. The man I loved was a married man in my congregation and, to further emphasize how hopelessly tangled our situation was, he was also gay and loved me as well. The strident homophobia of the WTS put us in a position many find themselves in: a state of denial and self-hatred. So I didn't admit my sexuality to myself and did not share it with the man I was in love with. He did likewise and it wasn't until his suicide occurred that I was able to unravel his secret. Eventually, I made friends with celibate Witnesses who formed a small support system I needed but even that wasn't enough. I finally grew tired of living a lie and was disfellowshipped. That brought me to my senses and I resolved to stay out. Yet as bad as my situation was, those who are born-in have it much worse. The OP poignantly describes how bleak that kind of life is.

  I am grateful that even though there is no chance the WTS will ever change its stance on LGBT issues, there is hope for many of us. The changing social mores in different countries is making the way out of the cult easier. There are all kinds of support systems now for LGBT people of all ethnicities and ages. We are finally emerging from our foxholes because in many places the shooting has finally stopped. We are becoming active in our communities and making positive contributions. I never thought I would see the day. I am also very gratified to see the support that truthwillsetyoufree has received here and I hope that others who are still lurking will be encouraged to follow his example.

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  The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.

  i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.

  every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.

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  I am glad that you shared your story here, truthwillsetyoufree. You are free now, although I do not think you fully understand what that means. Now that you are no longer part of this execrable cult, you can realize what George Eliot once wrote: "It is never too late to be what you might have been." Use your freedom to explore all the possibilities your life will give to you. And since you live in Britain, you can now pursue something that is clearly your heart's desire: a life and a home with the man you love. You can get married now, interweave your life with a spouse of your choosing, and grow old with him. I wish you all the best as you set out on this marvelous journey.

  Quendi