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  Is everyone on here disassociated??

  by happi2b in

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  so i don't understand it seems to me from the posts that i have read just about everyone is disassociated.. just wondering if that's true or if i am not the only one on here still within the organization..

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  Is everyone on here disassociated??

  by happi2b in

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  so i don't understand it seems to me from the posts that i have read just about everyone is disassociated.. just wondering if that's true or if i am not the only one on here still within the organization..

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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

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  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  Ward and Brownlee's answer to this is as simple as it is devastating. Such a world could have produced life, but it surely could not have produced creatures like us.

  Is this article suggesting evolution? Nice.

  So, too, it seems that plate tectonics are, as Ward and Brownlee put it, a "central requirement for life" as we know it.

  They sound like WTBTS: "it seems".
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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

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  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  The WTS has often tried to blame the earth's woes on man.

  Good answer. I always hated WTBTS's answers about these things. They always want to make God look good. They always show in the Awake only the nicest things in the natural world: butterflies, cute bunnies, roses but never violent animals like orcas or lions in the Was it Designed? series.
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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

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  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  Well, every other planet in the universe seems to work in a similar way, though far more extreme fromour POV.

  If God is all-powerful, all-wise he can do it. He could create a balanced universe without any earthquakes, without collisions, without anything harmful for material beings.

  Earthquakes are NOT "irrational events", they are a part of nature.

  And that nature was intended by God. Hm..What can I learn about Him if I think about that?
  
  I rest my case.
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  For non-believers: What evidence would it take for you to believe in 'god'?

  by jay88 in

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  it all comes down to evidence (but funny how we tend not to accept the evidence that indicates that what be actually believe to be true might be wrong).. this is a statement made by nick in previous thread of his.. >>>>>>>>>>.

  if the ot 'god' reappeared today, would that be evidence of 'god'?.

  jay, .

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rqUsC2KsiI

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qmcOG-na4E

  Summary:
  1. Verified prophecies
  2. Scientific knowledge
  3. Miraculous occurrences.
  4. Any manifestation of the divine.
  5. Aliens that believe in the same religion.
  
  Also I would suggest this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_nonbelief
  If God wants to acknowledge his existance he could do it in so many ways. I'm sure most of the atheists will accept him. I would. Who is that dumb to deny the existance of God when evidence exists? But there's no conclusive evidence.

  Argument from nonbelief

  1. If God exists, God:
  2. wants all humans to believe God exists before they die;
  3. can bring about a situation in which all humans believe God exists before they die;
  4. does not want anything that would conflict with and be at least as important as its desire for all humans to believe God exists before they die; and
  5. always acts in accordance with what it most wants.
  6. If God exists, all humans would believe so before they die (from 1).
  7. But not all humans believe God exists before they die.
  8. Therefore, God does not exist (from 2 and 3).
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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  How is it a dumb question? :) - it is one of the oldest questions that religions have tried to answer. Having said that, perhaps that doesn't stop it being dumb lol

  True, it's a reincarnation of the problem of evil.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil <- Recommended reading.
  
  

  The world is the way it is because it can't be any other way

  Impossible to say for sure, but I doubt that.
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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

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  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  Because of constantly shifting tectonic plates! DUH!

  . Everybody knows that. Maybe I didn't put the question properly. I didn't ask what are the natural causes of earthquakes, which I guess everyone knows, but what are the theological implications of the existance of earthquaks.

  I was expecting some belivers like brotherdan and PSacramento to intervene and say the God knows whats best for us and we shouldn't question him.

  Anyway, when I believed in God, I always asked myself that question, hence I wanted to know what the people of faith think.
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  So why are there earthquakes?

  by trevorbv in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).

  either way it doesnt look good for him.

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  They can’t be an accident, because everything God does is intended.

  So, if God created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

  So either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldn’t therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didn’t want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on Earth, and those disasters could harm this life). Either way it doesn’t look good for him.
  Or he created everything perfect but cursed the Earth after the sin of man (like the Earth was guilty of anything…). Even in this case, why would God curse the Earth in order to bring pain to its inhabitants? Isn’t that cruel? Who would do something like that? Even if they sinned why make their life a living hell with random kills? Isn't death enough?
  I can't really understand what is in the mind of the beliver when he sees the suffering that a natural disaster brings, because after all they are caused by God, maybe not directly, but indirectly since its his work of art that does them.

  So, believers, why do you think God decided (as some point, if you want) that the Earth should have earthquakes?
  Don’t give me the “to make us depended on him” answer, because it doesn’t make sense.
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  Saturday mornings as a young Jehovah's Witness

  by trevorbv in

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  just found this today on reedit.

  pretty funny .

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  Just found this today on reedit. Pretty funny . My parents were not so zealous, they rarelly went preaching on Saturday when I was a kid. They were rather materialistic, so we had to do other kind of "field work" - agriculture. It sucked anyway.