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  The Governing Body sends dissenters 'into the corn field'.

  by Esse quam videri in

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  Sabin

  Esse I love this made me laugh so much. Thanks
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  How wonderful is JW.ORG

  by Sabin in

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  there are some who still love the organization & the people in it.. who understand that every large organization has their own issues.. they believe the advice on what type of person you are supposed to be & how to treat others has made them a better person.

  and they believe, quite frankly, even if the g.b are a bunch of narcissistic wannabe powerful guys, the worest thing they have done is to wake up people on saturday mornings.. i`ve been awake most of the night thinking about this, wondering if this person had a point.

  then something came to my mind.

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  One eyed Joe, Sorry, it wasn't aimed at you I couldn't type fast enough to get the next bit in.
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  How wonderful is JW.ORG

  by Sabin in

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  there are some who still love the organization & the people in it.. who understand that every large organization has their own issues.. they believe the advice on what type of person you are supposed to be & how to treat others has made them a better person.

  and they believe, quite frankly, even if the g.b are a bunch of narcissistic wannabe powerful guys, the worest thing they have done is to wake up people on saturday mornings.. i`ve been awake most of the night thinking about this, wondering if this person had a point.

  then something came to my mind.

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  If you think this organisation is so good then you absolutely don't believe in God. If you did believe in him you would be disgusted at what the organization has done to thousands of children & would not want to support there wicked guidelines. So you are one of 3 things.

  !) stupid

  2) Ignorant

  3) Don't care about innocent children being abused.

  I suggest that you take along hard look around you Sir, & think carefully about what you are supporting. Lies & deceit of every. SABIN wishing you all the best.
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  How wonderful is JW.ORG

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there are some who still love the organization & the people in it.. who understand that every large organization has their own issues.. they believe the advice on what type of person you are supposed to be & how to treat others has made them a better person.

  and they believe, quite frankly, even if the g.b are a bunch of narcissistic wannabe powerful guys, the worest thing they have done is to wake up people on saturday mornings.. i`ve been awake most of the night thinking about this, wondering if this person had a point.

  then something came to my mind.

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  Sabin

  There are some who still love the organization & the people in it.

  Who understand that every large organization has their own issues.

  They believe the advice on what type of person you are supposed to be & how to treat others has made them a better person.

  And they believe, Quite frankly, even if the G.B are a bunch of narcissistic wannabe powerful guys, the WOREST thing they have done is to wake up people on Saturday mornings.

  I`ve been awake most of the night thinking about this, wondering if this person had a point. Then something came to my mind. Here are a few things I would like to point out that remind me of who the GB really are.

  GUIDELINES FOR BRANCH OFFICE SERVICE DESK, ( The October 1, 2012, letter to all bodies of elders provided instructions in connection with handling child abuse matters that may arise in the congregation.)

  Q1. According to the January !, 1997 W.T. article, (a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation) Does that mean he would automatically be disqualified even if the molestation took place before his becoming a baptized Christian?.

  Answer: Not necessarily. Some one who has come into the truth has been made new in the force actuating his mind & has put on the new personality.

  Q2. What if the man who molested a child before getting baptized is already serving in a responsible position? must he now step aside?

  Answer: Possibly not, but it depends on the circumstances.

  Q3. If a man molested a child many years ago after getting baptized, could he retain his privilege of service?

  Answer: It is possible for him to retain his privilege.

  Q4. The January 1, 1997, w.t article on pg 29 states that "a man known to have been a child molester" does not qualify for congregation privileges. What is meant by known?

  Answer: " A man known to have been a child molester" has reference to the perception of the community & the Christian congregation. Factors to consider. The term "known" needs to be qualified. At times, information regarding a man is known only to the elders. The fact that they have knowledge of his past sin should not automatically rule out his serving.

  Q7. Should the elders ask a man who is reaching out for congregation privileges whether he has ever molested a child?

  Answer: No. It is not the duty of the elders to query an individual about whether he ever molested children.

  Q8. What does pg 29 of January 1, 1997 WT article mean when it says that "a man known to have been a child molester....cannot Pioneer"/

  Answer: It means that if the perception of the community or congregation is that a man is a sexual abuser of minors, he would not qualify as an auxiliary pioneer or as a regular pioneer.
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  counting time

  by Sabin in

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  yesterday jw knocked on my door, i was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & i decided not to answer.

  they stood there for what seemed ages & as i watched something hit me.

  they were here only because they were on the territory.

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  Lynnie, The Bastards!

  Sir82, I think now the most important qualifications since jw.borg has been up & running is computer skills. A lot of the oldies don't know what to do & some have dedicated so much to the borg they now cant afford to have a computer, others don't want one because for years they were indoctrinated that computers were bad. So now they are left behind & no-one cares. Also they are the ones that may question the over lapping generation & the Puppet-masters cant have that.

  On another point about the ministry, all I hear jw say is "the worldly`s, this & the worldly`s that" their calling on people claiming it`s to hopefully save their lives & yet referring to them in a derogatory manner. I have heard it said so many times (have done so myself ) then when a jw does something wrong it`s cause he`s imperfect & therefore to be forgiven, but if a none jw does the same thing it`s cause he`s a worldly. They are prejudice.
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  counting time

  by Sabin in

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  yesterday jw knocked on my door, i was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & i decided not to answer.

  they stood there for what seemed ages & as i watched something hit me.

  they were here only because they were on the territory.

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  Island man, love the comparison what a brilliant illustration. Thanks
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  This generation.

  by @ROOT in

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  i came across this video on youtube.

  now i know robert king has defended the wts in the past, but this video is worth sharing, especially for lurkers.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srwr2j8vlga&index=46&list=pl67909870ff6d8b01.

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  @root, thank you for posting this it made a lot of sense to me.
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  counting time

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday jw knocked on my door, i was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & i decided not to answer.

  they stood there for what seemed ages & as i watched something hit me.

  they were here only because they were on the territory.

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  Yesterday JW knocked on my door, I was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & I decided not to answer. They stood there for what seemed ages & as I watched something hit me. They were here only because they were on the territory. There they stood in their mino clothes with bible in hand no doubt believing that this was an act of kindness. It wasn't. I didn't feel any guilt or anger but it did get me to thinking. When none jw go to see their friends for a cuppa or just call by to see how their going, they don't count the time, they don't write it down & report it back to some-one else. It made ne realise that the ministry is a farss. If they are prepared to do that to one of their baptized sisters who they know has been struggling what does that say about the true motives when calling on others. I`m horrified to admit that I`ve done this to sisters who are not coping for what ever reason, I`ve been to encourage them & counted the time. OMG it`s disgraceful. Elders go on shepherding calls to help the weak & write down the hour they spent there, please tell me where the love is in that. Not once did I ever read Jesus say " I got my 10 hours in & 2 shepherding calls" this is so unkind, but it has taken me this long to see it for what it really is, another act of self-righteousness.
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  JW "charity" during wildfire crisis

  by RedPillPopper in

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  2. friends

  so i live in the area of the 'valley' wildfire in northern california.

  i just returned home after 3 days evacuated.

  there is a family who run a fitness center and had opened their doors in disaster relief to affected people with beds, food, clothing and shelter.

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  Redpillpopper, it`s an interesting subject, we were all given evacuation plans to follow what to take , where to go & so forth for our safety. My husband (not a jw) said what about their neighbours, I notice they dont care about them. Even so when we had a disaster there were still jdub`s that had to rely on the worldly organizations to help them. One sister who was in her 70`s had to go & stay at a center, of cause she wasn't the most popular person, but should that matter?
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  Lurker trying to gain clarity

  by questioningmyfaith in

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  hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

  i am not negative towards the wt at all.

  so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

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  QMF, hello it`s very nice to meet you. Why are you on this forum asking us these questions? If what you claim you feel about the org is true & you are so sure of it why are you shouting so loud to defend it? Believe in God & the org goes hand in hand according to them, you cannot have one without the other. The org teaches that God is almighty & yet you can question him, doubt him, but don't question the W.T. this doesnt add up to me. It feels as if there is something here your not admitting to yourself. You may well have spoken to other elders about your doubts & they may have been kind & loving, however you have not confessed the whole truth have you? you have held back, you have not told them you on this forum & you have no intension of doing so. Your not trying to prove us all wrong, your trying to prove that W.T. is right. The argument is within you. The very thing quite often that we don't want to discuss, in your case the W.T is the very thing that is bothering us the most, we push it away because we fear what it will reveal bout us or what will happen to us. You are very defensive toward us when there is no reason to be so, & that I find troubling, for you of cause. I stand to be corrected on everything I say & I certainly hope this hasn't cased you offense. I look forward to reading your next post. SABIN.