Hey John Free, Glad you can join us, it`s so nice to meet you. May you live long & prosper.
Posts by Sabin
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36Hello to everybody!
by John Free ini wanted to introduce myself.
like many of you i was born-in, am married with one child.
after 36 years of this cycle: doubts-thought stopping- suppression- indoctrination-cult mode i realised enough was enough.
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What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?
by John Aquila inits been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.
in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.
carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .
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I`m mortified. Oh well, I suppose it`s safe to say that they will do what ever it take`s to get more money & more control. I think the Disfellowshipping will become worse. "Not even saying a greeting, NO NOT TO EVEN LOOK AT THEM". It works,every body is scared. I think Island summed it up beautifully, in his post. I also think there will be some sort of thing to do with the apple company, if you notice on all the D.V.D`s or pic`s it is all apple ipad, the most expensive, they got big shares with them & I understand that everything is inhouse with apple. All the wealthier have them here including their kid`s 2yrs up, every one of the family members even the oldies are being forced down that path. Not me I love books. It`s not the same looking at a screen. I also think because they have encouraged it they are gonna have bigger problems with the youth then they can even imagine. Lot of the oldies will get lost & forgotten about. They may start charging them for funeral costs maybe weddings to, say for the electrics. -
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What other Shenanigans can we expect to see in the next 2 years?
by John Aquila inits been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.
in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.
carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .
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Sabin
John Aquila, or anybody really, when I was younger (in the good old days) I used to volunteer at every assembly serving teas & coffee, everyone used to buy tickets at the congregation from the elders, Like $1 = 1 ticket, & so 2 tickets gets you a coffee. I remember 100`s of those tickets going through my hands. Do you think that they were making a profit out of that, charging more for the tickets than was necessary? only there was no choice, no ticket no drink. I remember we all thought how wonderful it was that these things were all being taken care of before hand but now I think about it what difference would it have made, 2 tickets or $2. they were ripping us off weren't they?
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JW Sister: raped, pregnant what does she do?, abortion or adoption?
by Olivia Wilde inthis question came out frequently from a situation known to some of us who knew of 2 cases.... if a single or married sister gets rapped by stranger or incest, a pregnancy results, she is not allowed to have an abortion but neither is she allowed to give it up for adoption?...i always question why not up for adoption?...
no you will be blood guilty because the child won't be raised in the "truth"... hmmmmm does anyone heard of that?
is it a matter of consciousness?
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This unfortunately does happen, there are women who bring up the child & somehow manage in their hearts to never hold the child accountable which i personally find amazing. I would never make a judgment on a woman in this situation & neither should the WT or elders or anyone else in a cong. The thing is when your pregnant your a parent, if you miscarry/abort/adopt/ or keep that fact doesn't go away. Special counselling is needed in a situation like rape & those bloody arrogant elders should keep their f....ing opinions to themselves. The decision must be the mothers, she will have already experienced loss of power from the rape it would be a disaster to push her in the direction you think she should go in. Of corse as far as the WTBTS go you must do as the insist or else pay the price, black/white no feelings come into it at all. I said it before i`ll say it again BASTARDS! -
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"New Light never contradicts Old Light, but simply adds to it"
by stuckinarut2 indoes anyone remember this classic quote from a society publication??.
i remember it has been quoted many times, but i cant find the reference.. if this comment is to be taken literally, it condemns the organization anytime there has been a complete changes in teachings and doctrine!
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Give Blood!
by Laika inlooking for a way to stick two fingers up to the watchtower and do something useful?.
well, ever considered giving blood?
if you're eligible to do so i would encourage everyone here to go for it, the world needs more blood donors, it's always nice to help out and given our history i find there's something very enjoyable about it.
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Cappy I get you I`m the same, i actually manage to have a blood test now without passing out. At one time i actually fitted scared the crap out the nurse. I can break a bloody bone in my foot & walk all day on it but give me a little prick & I just have to have someone hold my hand. But those of you who can & do
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No-See-ums bug bites, have you experienced these little pest?
by James Mixon inthe wife and i here lately have received little unknown bug bites, on our legs and arms.. so today in my senior class the instructor ask if anyone received any unknown bug bite.. there were 75% that raised there hand and everyone ask, what the hell is it.. these insects are ferocious biters.
they don't spread any diseases, but they will keep you indoors.. they are called valley blacks gnats, they feed on blood.
in my research i found they are active in.
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Sabin
Glad I live in Australia.
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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony
by jwfacts ini have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.
it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.
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Yes I get the point you are making & you are right. Thank you for taking the time to clarify it for me. Of cause they are able to change their ideas & teachings but ONLY when it suits them. -
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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony
by jwfacts ini have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.
it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.
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According to the Collins English Dictionary, Corporal punishment is physical punishment, such as caning. Whereas to Spank is to slap with the open hand. Spanking is a series of spanks, usually as a punishment for children.
Corporal punishment was still in force in most of the schools in Europe say in the 60`s & even as far up as the early 80`s. I have never heard from the platform or read any article that say`s you should hit your children with a stick or repeatedly spank them.
I absolutely do believe that because of the WTBTS view that children should be seen & not heard, that they should mind their elder`s at any cost & the general narcissistic, overbearing/ridged teaching`s that are enforced along with the you must be at all meetings/field service/study/participation or you are crap has given what would be already abusive parent`s free rein to abuse more. Couple in the fact that the elders in general couldn't give a shit about young one`s who may present a problem ( just disfellowship them to get them out of the way) these type of parents get away for years with unbelievable acts of cruelty & are able to confidently place the blame on the unrepentant disfellowshipped youth which has members in the cong patting them (the parents) on the back with pity or a well done for staying loyal to Jehovah as they have want to do, re-enforcing their disgusting behaviour as normal.
I think you need to be careful here Paul, if you went to a high school & claimed that they believe in corporal punishment, that you had found written records of kid`s who had this done to them, they would say "yes that did happen then, but nowday`s we don't except that as the right way to treat children".
You will of cause have more written facts than I, I just think if you are planning on going down this road you need something that is from the 90`s. & I can only speak from what I have or have not heard, it may be different for others. It`s just my own thought`s . SABIN.
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THIS IS JUST CLASSIC
by Sabin in2016 years text.. hebrews 13:1, let your brotherly love continue.. wtf!
your thought please.
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Wifi, I found this on one of your posts & I thought "this just has to have a thread of it`s own. Brotherly love is the last thing I see in the congregations where I live. Well I don't even go I cant stand it anymore.
eat!