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Did anyone ever hear of a meeting between Judge Rutherford & Master Fard Muhammad (Nation of Islam) ?

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=181

And what do you really know of the relationship between the Nation of Islam and the Jehovah's Witnesses? Did you know that Judge Rutherford, the second president of the Jehovah Witnesses actually met Master Fard Muhammad in the 1930s? He looked up to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's teacher. Anyone who writes about the relationship between the Nation of Islam and Jehovah's Witnesses should know that. Again, no one knows more about what Master Fard Muhammad taught than the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. You should get his view before you refer to others.

http://www.geocities.com/acts_2_38_4_12/BlackMuslims3_index.html

Using Jehovah's Witness theology, Elijah Muhammad denied that people went to heaven or hell at death. He taught the Watchtower concept of "soul sleep." It must also be pointed out, that the seventh-day Adventist teach the same thing. Like Witnesses, black Muslims deny that there is a hell in the afterlife but teach that "hell" is here on earth.
Following the Watchtower literature which proclaimed 1914 as the "beginning of the end," [C. T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, volume 2, "The Time is at Hand", 1889 and 1909 edition, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, page 99, see also pages 76-77, 101, 245] Elijah Muhammad twisted it to mean that 1914 signaled the end of the white man's rule and the beginning of black power. Elijah went on to prophecy that allah would personally intervene in the 1970's by destroying the white man and putting black people in control of the world. This fit in with the teaching of the Jehovah's Witnesses who were proclaiming 1975 as the end of the world [Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, 1966, page 29. See also, The Watchtower, 10/15/69. pages 623. The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years, pages 26-27. Kingdom Ministry, March, 1968, page 4] The obvious failure of allah to intervene in 1975 as predicted by Elijah Muhammad is a tremendous embarrassment to black Muslims today. This false prophecy totally destroys any attempt to view him as a prophet, "When a prophet speaketh in the name of YHWH, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which YHWH hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." [Deuteronomy 18:22] "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." [Matthew 24:11] "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." [Matthew 24:24] The present black Muslim leader, Louis Farrakhan, has publicly predicted that Armageddon is near. According to him, the giant UFO "wheel" will soon destroy the white man.
The other serious embarrassment of the black Muslim movement in America was the murder of Malcolm X. The son of another black Baptist preacher, Malcolm Little converted to the teachings of Elijah Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad himself changed Little's name to that of Malcolm X. After 12 years of devoted service to the Nation of Islam, Malcolm woke up to Elijah's many moral problems, such as his 13 illegitimate children, his greed and jealousy, and the constant strife which filled Elijah Muhammad's life. These things began to bother him. How could Elijah Muhammad be from allah and do all the evil things he did? It was during his pilgrimage to Mecca that for the first time he clearly saw the heretical and racist nature of the black Muslim movement in America. They weren't Muslims at all. The whole thing is a sham.

http://www.cornerstonemag.com/features/iss111/islam1.htm#tx6

He encouraged his followers to listen to radio broadcasts of Jehovah?s Witness president Joseph Rutherford, whose rallying cry at that time was "Religion is a snare and a racket." Fard also used Jehovah?s Witness literature to teach his followers that the time of "Gentile" (i.e., Caucasian) domination had come to an end in 1914; that the resurrection of the "so-called Negro" had already occurred as a mental and invisible fact, and that the coming New World was just around the corner. In just a few years, he claimed, the oppressed black man would receive the kingdom and the New World would arrive by 1936 at the very latest.

http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=558

Then another plank in the platform of Muslim theology is that man has no immortal soul. Only Allah is immortal. This they derive from the theology of Jehovah's Witnesses, because in the 1920's Wallace Fard was a devotee of the writings of J.F. Rutherford, who was then the president of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. And his literature reflects the influence of the Jehovah's Witnesses at that particular time. You wouldn't know that unless you did an analysis of the history of it, but once you get into the theology of it, you find Watchtower theology ingrained in different places in this particular theology of black Islam. And it's strange that the Watchtower theology and Fard's theology at this point are identical. And I don't think that we have too much difficulty finding out where he derived it from.

"The black will inherit the earth after Armageddon." Malcolm X said he didn't know when Armageddon was. They were postulating Armageddon around 1970. 1970 has now passed by, so Armageddon is now a distinct problem in their eschatological scheme. But so far as black Islam is concerned, the black will inherit the earth, the white will be judged for their oppression of the black, and heaven will be on earth, for heaven and hell aswe understand it in Christian theology do not exist in Black Muslim theology.

Highly unlikely on both counts.

Atilla took my words aways:

No, not even to my parents funeral. I can just imagine how it would go down. I would be there and some old JW friend would come up and ask if I was coming back, and then I would have kick his ass right there in the Kingdom Hall for trying to use my parents death as a way to witness to me. If no one tried that, then I'm sure I would get upset by the fact that the speaker only spent a few minutes on my parents life and I would have kick his ass right there in the KH. I guess I should just stay away.