Posts by Larsguy

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The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

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Further, he's in the city where the throne of Satan is, of all places, in Arcadia, CA (don't ask me to explain, thanks).
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EXPLAIN please....

No, I won't, sorry. Not in this forum not at this time. Right now it is enough that you and others know that I am aware of where Satan dwells today. In anciet times it was Pergamum. I know this is fascinating, but it is WAAAAAAY on the other end of secretive spiritual things going on in the spiritual world.

So for now, let is suffice that you know BIBLICALLY that Satan is spoken of having a dwelling place on the earth and it used to be Pergamum. Today it could possibly be someplace specifically other than Pergamum, and that some anointed person claims it's where I said it was. That statement, really, was just met letting whomever that has relevance to know that I'm aware of spiritual significance of where the throne of Satan is. This wouldn't have any meaning for the average person, so there is no need to burden them with details. Most people can't even deal with the dating of the second coming, how are they going to deal with the super-spiritual?

LG

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The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

Larsguy

To all those kind persons who recommended therapy and drugs!

LOL! and thanks! But really that's just your own defense mechanism since this is too hard to accept right now.

But really, this is REAL and this is actually happening. You'll have to stop for a moment and really consider whether or not you're taking the Bible seriously, because...

No matter what, the Bible must be true.

No matter what, the Messiah MUST arrive on time as scheduled. Take your pick: 45 years after the Jews return to Palestine in 1947 to fulfill the 1335 days, or 2520 years after the fall of Jerusalem which we can confirm now took place in 529BCE. Both point to the same year, 1992.

No matter what, the Messiah must arrive, according to Jesus, within a generation of when those signs began. Those signs began in 1914 with a world war. So NO MATTER WHAT 1994 is the last deadline for the Messiah to arrive.

No matter what, the Bible says the antichrist's inspired expression is that the Messiah would not come in the flesh. Hello? A little deduction here. If that is ALWAYS to be true, then we can identify the antichrist by anyone claiming the Messiah would not come in the flesh, i.e. the JW org who says he arrived invisibly makes them the antichrist. But by deduction that would mean the opposite must be true, that is, the Messiah would come in the flesh.

NO MATTER WHAT, the symbolism of the wave offerings which shows the first one WITHOUT LEAVEN and the second one specifically WITH LEAVEN confirms the Messiah would not only come in the flesh, but in a different flesh at the second coming, that in an imperfect body. That is all completely consistent with Joshua who typified Jesus Christ appearing at the time of his crowning with filthy robes representing past sins that had to be forgotten and forgiven, necessitating his new robes.

That is clearly a parallel to the prodigal son whose robes are replaced and who had been "dead" spiritually before but came back to life.

So, NO MATTER WHAT, you're going to have to deal with the Messiah sneaking up on the world as an everyday man; something people don't expect. Thus this is the manner in which he arrives as a THIEF!!! He comes at a time and in a manner the world is not expecting.

But by the time the world figures it all out, the thief has come and gone, or at least made off with their outer garments. Plus it's the perfect disguise for an inspection. You see, people treat an ordinary man differently than if they thought he was the Messiah, which is the whole idea of his coming as a thief. People are likely to show their true selves.

So I see you folks talking about therapy and drugs but nobody is discussing how it is that the woman is seen giving birth to the Messiah in Revelation which proves one of her "seed" that is, one of her anointed members must be selected to become the Messiah.

So it's a laughing matter now like those in Noah's day laughed at him because they couldn't believe water would fall from the sky...until it did. Then they believed. But it was too late.

I totally understand the disbelief, because it is shocking. But it will becomre more and more real when you realize the Messiah has arrived and the destruction of the present system of things is immiment. The question is, are you personally going to be permitted to pass into the millennium or will you lose out because of not paying close enough attention to scripture, especially when it is being explained to you directly?

So I suggest you guys get off the drugs you're on and make sure you know for sure, Biblically, how your Messiah is to arrive, whether in spirit or flesh and then take it from there. No excuses because you didn't bother figuring this out ahead of time since you know God's schedule. 1994 was the cutoff. Why on earth do you think you had time later on to pay attention to when the end of the world was coming?

Believe me, you are all being watched by the angels. My exposing you to this doctrine tells far more about your own beliefs than mine or what is in the Bible. You may be judged solely on how interested you are in this topic and how seriously you take it. Everybody is supposed to be AWAKE and expecting the Messiah, so..... not such a laughing matter. Or at least it won't be later.

Thanks for the comments and kind wishes. If this were NOT TRUE, then yes, I agree, I'd need therapy. Unfortunately, it is true....it really is, as amazing as it all is.

And just as importantly, it's BIBLICAL!!

LG

25

The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

Larsguy

:Lars, I've got a possible candidate that meets some of your Messiah criteria. How about Michael Jackson!!! 1. black 2. former JW 3. seems a little gay to me
He may be lurking on apostate sites-I don't know but its a possibility!!
LOL

Now you're thinking! It does have to be someone who is black and a JW or associated with them. So let's consider Michael.

Per the parable of the prodigal son combined with the parable of Lazarus, this person had to be spiritually "dead" for a while, thus disfellowshipped (i.e. barred outside the Rich Man's gate) and then return. Plus they must be of the anointed. Plus Lazarus' sores are licked by dogs which means this was his weakness, dogs, that is, dominant male homsexual men or bisexual men. Plus the parable of the prodigal son has a reference that he spent his inheritance with "whores", etc. All this lends to the idea of an active immoral life.

Add to that the filthy garments of Joshua (Zech. 3) who presents at the second coming with filthy garments which must be replaced and as noted his sins would be forgiven if he accepts this role as the Messiah and you pretty much need to consider that this person likely wasn't just fooling around but was likely gulity of an active homosexual life at one time. I don't think that fits Michael Jackson; which is good!

Further, this person, would have had to have been back in the truth and an active JW sometime at least between Passover of 1992 and Passover of 1993. That's because the prodigal son is seen coming back to the God's house, or the house of the father which would symbolically represent the JW organization in order to fulfill this. So that would be another technicality to look for in order to fulfill the prophecy.

So I'll let you decide whether Michael Jackson fits those details or not.

Whether he has been secretly preaching advanced Bible doctrine on the internet in the JW apostate "broadways" (i.e. discussion boards) might have to be investigated.

But you're definitely going in the right direction....

LG

25

The "Coming" Anointed

by kes152 in

larsguy said:.

"if your messiah didn't appear in 1992, kes, then he ain't coming, or at least he's not the one promised in the bible.".

so tell me... where is that messiah that appeared in 1992?

Larsguy

Where is this man? Where is the Messiah?

He's in the "north" as the Bible indicates he would be.

Further, he's in the city where the throne of Satan is, of all places, in Arcadia, CA (don't ask me to explain, thanks).

But why do you need to know where he is? He is SUPPOSED to be teaching in the "broadways" of the apostate Jehovah's witnesses.

Remember, let's follow the Bible. Once Jesus gets up and closes the door, the would-be "sons of the kingdom" will find themselves rejected and outside the door. But they will say: "You used to eat in front of us, and you taught in our broadways."

How is that fulfilled in modern times?

Please note that Jesus arrives symbolically on a white horse with a long sword protruding from his mouth.

Please note that Lazarus has the ability to cool the tongue of the Rich Man which means Lazarus has special knowledge that now torments the Rich Man and exposes his false teachings.

Remember, Lazarus loves knowledge and wanted the crumbs from the Rich Man's table but once he is transferred to the bosom position of the Father he has all the knowledge he has sought after and the Rich Man is in torment.

Soooo, that's a very limited application to who the Messiah can be now that we are 8 years past 1992-1993. That is, the JW subculture is very limited and the only place the Messiah can "teach" in front of the "sons of the kingdom" is on these JW message boards on the internet. That's the way the Messiah is able to teach and preach after he is on the earth in the flesh.

So you have to find some JW or ex-JW who is a teacher of truth on the JW witness boards who is very succesful in debating truth and exposing false teachings, but who is also black ("Ethiopian") and also a eunuch ("gay" oriented/effeminate), lived a former life of immmorality due to homosexuality (Lazarus' sores were licked by "dogs", a euphemism for dominant male homosexuals), and one who fulfills all the other prophecies about the Messiah, including not being that good looking (Isaiah 53), and a lot of other things.

Those are some of the things the Messiah is supposed to be, including I guess claiming they were first anointed prior to 1992 before becoming the "inhabitation" of the Messiah sometime after November 20, 1992 but before April 6 (Passover) 1993.

So when you get a list of those persons who qualify on all the above, you can interview each one to see if you can eliminate as many as possible to see if you can get it down to one or two candidates, one of which should be the Messiah.

By the say, he "comes in the clouds" which means you can HEAR him but cannot see him. That basically references that he will be teaching INDIRECTLY but not in person. The internet facilitates that perfectly, and thus is a further fulfillment. You see, he doesn't gather with his anointed ones in public so that no one knows who they are, yet, he can speak with them and communicate with them indirectly through the internet.

Anyway, let me know if you want his internet handles since he goes by a lot of them just as was pre-prophesied. That is, when Jesus was resurrected, he never appeared in the same body or one that the disciples recognized. They were always wondering who he was such suggests he had multiple identifies as part of his second coming. Thus he has several identities on the internet, some of which I can provide for you. Then you can check him out scripturually if you want to.

Now one more thing. I doesn't matter if you know who he is since he does come to the door and talk with the apostates directly when he rejects him from the kingdom. So people will know who and WHERE he is, but will be outside the banquet and thus can't get into the secret kingdom arrangement with the Messiah.

That's what's so neat about it. Even if you know who the Messiah is, or are led to believe who he is, only holy spirit can induct you into the kingdom. But....the "older brother", "old wineskins" class don't get into the private banquet either even though they are not totally rejected by the Father.

The Father must come out to them and console them that "what is mine is yours". These are the "public" anointed ones. So obviously you must be part of that class. Thus these words "Have not fear LITTLE flock, for the Father wants to give you the kingdom" applies to you. That's because they would be afraid at some point since they will see that Jesus has "other sheep not of this fold" which they are apart of and it seems they are outside that arrangement; which they are.

But from my Biblical understanding for now, the "public" ones cannot mix with the "private ones"; as in the case with Lazarus, those on one side of the chasm cannot cross to the other side. Ones wanting to go to one side cannot cross and ones on this side cannot cross to the other side. There is a clear and definitive separation; apparently right up until the final moments before Armageddon. So they have to wait.

But it may be getting close right now. You seem to be far too interested in finding the Messiah and if you are, others are too. This stuff is making sense and you see there may be no way out. So the REALITY of all this is supposed to come to a point, maybe that is what is happening now.

Interesting you're so curious. But you still have to make sure all this is BIBLICAL!

Once you are convinced...then there are amazing things to share with you if you're one of the anointed! So I hope this works out for you.

LG

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Pentecost 33CE What really happened.

by biblexaminer in

foreword.

and if they were not in the "upper chamber" at pentecost, where were they?

or is it "acts of the apostles"?

Larsguy

Hello AGuest,

It is interesting that you speak condescendingly of Herod's "traditional" date of death and do not give us a reference to the actual date of his death.

Yes, I am aware of the total eclipse occurring early in 1BCE and the WTS makes a reference to that event as the possible one seen the night of the execution. If this is your choice for that reference then be my guest.

My only position here was simply to note that, OPTIONALLY, Tiberius' 15th year is often dated in 28/29 CE which allows us to use the astronmically dated fall of Jerusalem in 529BCE to date Jesus' baptism in 29CE.

In addition, since I'm dating the Second Coming 45 years after the return of the Jews to Palestine in 1947 (unless you have another date for that event), I can harmonize all the Biblical chronology based upon the succession of 70 weeks in line with the 70th week Jesus first appeared as ending in 36CE.

So ultimately, my hands are still tied because of 1947 as far as Biblical chronology is concerned.

1BCE might be an optional date for the death of Herod per your choice, but so is 1AD.

I've ruled out the early 1BC eclipse event, however, because that eclipse occurred on a sabbath and executions don't occur on sabbath days. But then, that's based upon what we believe the calendar was back then, which is something you and I disagree upon.

So thanks for sharing your information regarding these events and your choice to date Jesus' birth in 4BCE. I'm forced to date it in 2BCE and Herod's death in 1AD, however, because of the need to harmonize all the chronology with 1947, which ties into 1996 which ties into 36CE which ties into 29CE. Soooo.... to each his own in this case, I guess.

LG

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Pentecost 33CE What really happened.

by biblexaminer in

foreword.

and if they were not in the "upper chamber" at pentecost, where were they?

or is it "acts of the apostles"?

Larsguy

Dear SJ,

This whole argument is based upon the death of Herod in the 11th month on Shebat 2. It is that "traditional" date of his death that conflicts with the eclipse event on March 13/14, 1959 and that is simply because it would mean that Herod was already dead for TEN WHOLE WEEKS before the eclipse occurred.

Secondly, this 4BCE eclipse is just one month prior to Passover and it took 32 days before Herod was even buried. So there is a critical conflict in reference to this eclipse as far as the surrounding history goes.

On top of all that, the eclipse must follow an annual fast day and that points to Tebet 10 since that would be the last festival celebrated before his death.

So sorry, the eclipse simply does not work. The information is too specifically pointing to the 10th month for the eclipse.

Sorry, but Herod died on Shebat 2, 1AD.

Lars

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Pentecost 33CE What really happened.

by biblexaminer in

foreword.

and if they were not in the "upper chamber" at pentecost, where were they?

or is it "acts of the apostles"?

Larsguy

Hi there SJ,

I've heard about some of these kings starting the co-rulerships earlier than their OFFICIAL reign. The critical question is whether or not the people back then started numbering the years based upon the co-rulership dating or the official dating of the kingship.

Thus, you are free to believe what you wish, all I needed was your confirmation that his OFFICIAL rulership 15th year was 28-29CE.

With that in mind, this makes those years OPTIONAL for the baptism of the Messiah.

Now as far as the other issues go, I already explained to you Herod died on Shebat 2, 1AD. SORRY NOT NEGOTIABLE.

If you need to argue about this, please explain how an eclipse on March 13/14, just one month before Passover was seen by Herod when he died on Shebat 2, some six weeks BEFORE the eclipse happened? Bottom line is that there is a critical conflict here already recognized by others as being inconsistent with the eclipse Josephus mentions. After checking things out it was clear to me that an alternative date for the death of Herod based upon Josephus was Shebat 2, 1AD. I'm comfortable with that.

GOING BEYOND THAT, it has been confirmed that Jerusalem fell in 529BCE which means the 1st of Cyrus fell in 455BCE thus to fulfill the 483 years Jesus had to appear in 29CE not 27CE. So it's all connected.

If you want to go into ADVANCED chronology, you can date everything via the year the Jews returned to Palestine in 1947 which began their last Jubilee. You just add 49 years to 1947 to get the end of the last 70 weeks which is 1996. Then you just have go go back in time 4 70-week periods (1960 years) to get the end of the first 70 weeks in which Jesus would die at midweek. That means based upon 1947, 1960 years earlier than 1996 was 36CE which means 7 years earlier Jesus should have appeared to be baptized in 29CE. That also means the first 70 weeks would have begun in 455BCE which is the date confirmed by two astronomical texts, the VAT4956 and the SK400.

So you see, it's all lined up and coordinated together; all the chronology.

Thus, since you've confirmed that Tiberius did have his sole rule which dated his 15th year in 28-29CE, there is no conflict with the Biblical chronology.

Sooooo....

Everything is fine...and

You don't know what you're talkinga about as usual, which is quite typical of the false prophet you are and continue to be.

I suggest you stop listening to demons and start paying more attention to scripture.

Cheerio,
LG

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Accepted 66 books of Canon

by SharonUT in

considering an apostacy that was well into swing by 100ad, and worse yet by the time the nicene council was held in 325ad... how are jehovah's witnesses sure about the basically protestant canon they initially accepted which was canonized about 376ad at earlist and still even then, many christians didn't agree upon that and still don't today!

i could go into more detail if desired... but upon what basis to jw's accept this canon from an apostate generation?

how do they know that other books such as the book of enoch originally held to be scripture and quoted frequently in mark or the shepherd of hermes should not be included as inspired?

Larsguy

Hi Sharon,
You bring up a lot of great stuff. I'd like to address some it.

Enoch quote: One thing is that the WTS does comment on Enoch quote and as noted that the Book of Enoch may have quoted from some other original document that Jude is quoting from. Jude does not specifically quote from the Book of Enoch. So that's on the table.

As far as Jesus fulfilling a prophecy, I think there is a passage that relates to his specifically coming from some town that had the root name of being a "branch-town" and that's the play on words to fulfill Jesus being called a "Nazare." Actually I have to look into this again, but the gest of it was that Jesus would be known as a "eunuch" or a branch, or twig, which is the euphemism for a eunuch since they are not a tree which has branches (i.e. offspring) but are basically the end of their genetic line. So this is the reference to his being called a "Nazarene" or a eunuch because of the name of this town. The Bible technically applies these scriptures so we can see how the Bible fulfills these different things.

I don't want to make this post too long, but I'm at an incredible disadvantage here because of my own beliefs about the canon. But basically, I think the canon we have are what was decided upon, even though other works existed. It is not a matter of including every single document whether true or not. But in that regard, both Paul and John, the two primary contributors, never died. That is, they were two who Jesus chose "not to die until I arrive" and so we can only presume they took some custodial care to make sure the fundamental Bible got preserved and canonized and thus what we have must represent, essentially what we were intended to have.

Finally, whether we fully understand how prophecies are fulfilled from the Biblical perspective is another issue, thus I believe all is well in that area with the correct understanding.

But this will always be debated. I accept that.

LG

10

El & Yahweh

by SharonUT in

who do jehovah's witnesses say they are?

do they say they are both jehovah?

also, is the new world translation bible on-line to look at?

Larsguy

Thanks for posting this information. I was not aware of the specific contextual comparison for this verse based upon the Dead Sea Scrolls. Could you be more specific, however, and perhaps give us references to the two texts involved or post them both so we can compare the actual text? I'd like to see more so I can make up my own mind. Lots of people claim things in one place and then somebody else quotes them and then somebody else quotes them and then they think everybody knows something but really nothing has been proven.

I'm not doubting you yet, but there is no way we can confirm what you say without more specific references. If you can post this information for all to see that would be best; everyone doesn't have the time or resources to look up specific rare text comparisons, etc.

Thanks.

LG

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Baptism in whose name?

by SharonUT in

if this has been answered before, just point me in the right direction.

matthew 28:19 says to be baptized in the "name of the father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost.

" what is the justification used in jehovah's witnesses changing this.

Larsguy

What a complex mess the JW organization is with their twisted views. They will answer for their false prophecies and deceptions.

But I agree with Aaron. Just because there are three entities one is baptized in recognition of does not mean the three entities are one entity rolled up into one, namely the trinity.

In fact, the "666" number on the beast which represents Christendom represents it's false belief in the trinity doctrine which is yet another indication it is a false doctrine, but a MAJOR false doctrine and primary doctrine of Christendom.

Though this is not the believe of Jehovah's Witnesses and it's leaders, this organization still becomes apostate and is represented by the "Lamb Dragon" beast who is also called a "false prophet" in Revelation. The Lamb-Dragon Beast, however, does not specifically bear the number representing the false trinity doctrine which is "666".

Note, one beast comes out of the "sea" representing Christendom and all it's demonations, but the Lamb-Dragon beast comes out of the "earth" representing the "temple" organization which is in association with recognized "spiritual Israel" which would be connected with the Witness organization. The Witness organization is the temple organization even though it becomes apostate, just like the Jews were God's chosen people but became apostate, etc.

It's nice to see some reall Biblical topics being discussed though. Thanks for posting this information. I know beliefs will always vary..that's part of the territory.

LG