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  I'm back...restored...renewed...reloaded

  by Yerusalyim in

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  simon has restored my limits...thanks simon.

  ya know...if i insult someone...i generally don't mean it...and i usually apologize for it....the topics that got me in trouble are ones i feel very strongly about.

  people i know are in harms way...being shot at...and dying...many here would say there's no meaning to those deaths...which takes the heart out of a soldier and makes it harder for them to concentrate and stay out of harms way.

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  lastcall

  Yeru, I am glad you are back. I think your a good man... nothing wrong with a lil' honest debate. Xjweldr I have a question for you, why would you want to give:

  the pro -Bush right wing conservative point of view while you have been away-

  Why would you want to define yourself as a yes man to an one narrow ideology ,"right-wing conservative."

  Why wouldn't you just debate the topics based on the truthful facts and give your opinion

  Me, I don't care if it's Bush or Howard Dean in there, when they pull something, or I disagree with them, I'll examine the facts and come to my own independent conclusion.

  Please tell me you were just talkin' smack, or being sarcastic or something.

  LC
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  My cat wants to say hello

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  my cat shadow has been dying to use the keyboard, so i'll let him:.

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  My cat, George, read to me what Shadow wrote, he says he wants you to stop smushing his paws against your keyboard!

  LC
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  What did you day dream about at assemblies?

  by lastcall in

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  as a kid i would try to pay attention, but i just couldn't hang in there.

  if i didn't day dream i was going to go insane.. i used to create scenarios in my mind that i was a jw super hero.

  i had a special costume that was partially made of "flubber" that would allow me to bounce all over the auditorium.

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  lastcall

  Queeny, you could have lost your privledges!

  And..... I would've had to have gone flubber on you!

  LC
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  Patriot Act ABUSE reported by FoxNews

  by D8TA in

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  eat crow.

  so it begins like i said and warned:

  here, from foxnews so people who decide to stick their head in the sand and feign ignorance can have their "legitamate news source":

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  lastcall

  Yerusalim,

  I for one feel safer knowing that under the current law we could access the computer of Zacharias Mousoui but before 9-11 we couldn't. I'm not terribly torn up that the law is being used to investigate a strip club owner's finances. I trust the judicial oversight and I trust that this report to congress every six months will result in the law not being severely abused.

  You have a point it is not all bad, but our laws were not the problem with regard to what happened on 9/11. We had plenty of intelligence that could have prevented 9/11 as has been documented. The problem was what was done with that intelligence.
  

  I trust the judicial oversight and I trust that this report to congress every six months will result in the law not being severely abused.

  You have an awful lot of trust bro. Remember that this law lives on no matter who is in the white house and no matter who has the majority in the house and Senate.

  Alow me to put this into context.... How would you feel about the PA if Hillary were president and Bill were Attny General? There just aren't enough checks and ballances to prevent serious abuses that could put innocents into federal prisons.

  With this law, a person or organization forced to turn over records is prohibited from disclosing the search to anyone. As a result of this gag order, the subjects of surveillance never even find out that their personal records have been examined by the government. That undercuts an important check and balance on this power: the ability of individuals to challenge illegitimate searches.

  Again...what's the big problem here? The strip club owner shouldn't be investigated

  I dont' think your seeing the big picture.....this is only the beginning.

  LC
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  Patriot Act ABUSE reported by FoxNews

  by D8TA in

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  eat crow.

  so it begins like i said and warned:

  here, from foxnews so people who decide to stick their head in the sand and feign ignorance can have their "legitamate news source":

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  The problem with the PA is that it was written and passed in knee jerk hurried fashion under the cloak of fear. Unlike many laws that are abused from time to time the Patriot act has the potential to be abused to an extreme.

  You don't write laws that trample on the constitution and say.... it's all right the judge will catch it later, he'll make it right.

  Yeru .your right all laws are abused from time to time by those who are charged with enforcing them......but generally those laws as written are not so obviously contrary to civil liberties.

• The government no longer has to show evidence that the subjects of search orders are an "agent of a foreign power," a requirement that previously protected Americans against abuse of this authority.
• The FBI does not even have to show a reasonable suspicion that the records are related to criminal activity, much less the requirement for "probable cause" that is listed in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. All the government needs to do is make the broad assertion that the request is related to an ongoing terrorism or foreign intelligence investigation.

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• explain to me again why this is so bad....seems to me that yes...they were able to go around a grand jury...but still had to have the permission of a judge.

  Judicial oversight of these new powers is essentially non-existent. The government must only certify to a judge - with no need for evidence or proof - that such a search meets the statute's broad criteria, and the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application

As this law is written there are simply not enough in the way of checks and balances or due process, that is why facets of this law were brought on the house and senate floor for years before 9/11 and never even close to passing. But after 9/11 fear and doubt ruled the day.

LC