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  JWs and their views on Sex

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the past i have read on this forum that the wt have a say in the "bedroom" of couples.

  i thought that was a bit overkill at first, but recently i have come to conclusion that this is true.. the control administered by the wt cooperation on ones sex life is not on only intrusive, its damaging.

  they control every aspect of ones thought and action, thus leading most down a path that said corporation wants them to tread.. this path is to get married young, and then eternal loyalty the the organisation.. so how can an organisation force you to get married young?.

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  I feel that the Watchtower is still telling people what not to do in the bedroom. Although they dont want to say it directly in print, to not appear as unreasonable, they clearly still condemn oral sex, and this has not gone unnoticed by the faithful - among them my wife, unfortuntely... but that's not the only issue she has...

  As late as w07 10/15 p.27 they said:

  8. As to oral sex, how do Christians differ from many people of the world?

  8 Hebrews 13:4 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 establish that God disapproves of both adultery and fornication (Greek, por·neiʹa). What does the latter include? The Greek term involves the use of the genital organs in either a natural or a perverted way with lewd intent. It includes all forms of illicit sexual relations outside of Scriptural marriage. So it includes oral sex, despite the fact that many teenagers around the world have been told or have come to the conclusion that oral sex is acceptable. True Christians do not guide their thinking and actions by the opinions of “profitless talkers, and deceivers of the mind.” (Titus 1:10) They hold to the higher standard of the Holy Scriptures. Rather than try to make excuses for oral sex, they understand that Scripturally it is fornication, por·neiʹa, and they train their conscience accordingly.*—Acts 21:25; 1 Corinthians 6:18; Ephesians 5:3.

  Although meant to condemn any sexual relations between unmarried people, the faithful married jws will only read: "God disapproves... Fornication... oral sex". And the footnote links to w83, posted earlier by Brock Talon, where oral sex is presented as being perverted.

  So if this is not Watchtower condemning certain types of sex and forcing their way into couple's bedrooms, i dont know what is.
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  POLL: Will You Be Attending The Memorial & If You Are---Why?

  by minimus in

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  i was just invited.

  i thanked my old elder friend and he left.

  (i'm not going).

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  Still in, I'm afraid - so yes
  
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  WTBTS Buys Property Near Patterson for Audio Video Production

  by MaxTan in

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  cbre groups westchester/fairfield county office announced today the successful sale of 39 mount ebo road south, a 93,000-square-foot industrial property in southeast.. the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. bought the property for $6.1 million.. the buyer plans to use the property for its own uses, including media production, cbre group said in a press release.. this industrial property sits on 11.42 acres of land and features warehouse space and adjoining officesits a truly rare block of modern high bay warehouse space for this market and continues the trend of owner occupiers buying blocks of space, said kevin langtry, a vice president in cbres stamford, ct office.. the tenant, watson pharmaceuticals, planned to vacate the property, so its owner retained cbre, inc. in advance to line up a buyer.. langtry represented the seller, indcor properties, a chicago-based reit that owns and operates a portfolio of wholly owned industrial properties in locations throughout the united states.. this, combined with its proximity to watchtowers route 22 campus, made it a great fit.

  it was a win-win for both indcor and the watchtower bible and tract society of new york, said langtry.. link to original article.

  link to jwtalk thread <-- where the claim is made it's solely for a/v production use.

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  CBRE Group’s Westchester/Fairfield County office announced today the successful sale of 39 Mount Ebo Road South, a 93,000-square-foot industrial property in Southeast.

  The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. bought the property for $6.1 million.

  The buyer plans to use the property for its own uses, including media production, CBRE Group said in a press release.

  “This industrial property sits on 11.42 acres of land and features warehouse space and adjoining offices—it’s a truly rare block of modern high bay warehouse space for this market and continues the trend of owner occupiers buying blocks of space,” said Kevin Langtry, a vice president in CBRE’s Stamford, CT office.

  The tenant, Watson Pharmaceuticals, planned to vacate the property, so its owner retained CBRE, Inc. in advance to line up a buyer.

  Langtry represented the seller, IndCor Properties, a Chicago-based REIT that owns and operates a portfolio of wholly owned industrial properties in locations throughout the United States.

  “This, combined with its proximity to Watchtower’s Route 22 campus, made it a great fit. It was a win-win for both IndCor and The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York,” said Langtry.

  Link to original article

  Link to JWTalk thread <-- where the claim is made it's solely for A/V production use
  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to hand over top secret manual to Finland officials

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://yle.fi/uutiset/jehovahs_witnesses_to_hand_over_top_secret_manual/7244267.

  16.5.2014 7:00 | updated 16.5.2014 17:10

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top secret manual.

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  WTH?!?! The WTBTS won't interfere in my life if I go against WTBTS policy?!!?

  More info, please!!!!

  DD

  Oh sure they wont! The proof, straight from the horse's mouth:
  Finnish JW press representative about the shunning policy (Youtube)
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  Jehovah's Witnesses to hand over top secret manual to Finland officials

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
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  http://yle.fi/uutiset/jehovahs_witnesses_to_hand_over_top_secret_manual/7244267.

  16.5.2014 7:00 | updated 16.5.2014 17:10

  jehovah's witnesses to hand over top secret manual.

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  sir82 - Which "rule book" is that?

  Just the basic "Flock" book that all elders get?

  Or something higher, maybe branch office guidelines?

  Also, that article is nearly a year old. Any updates since then?

  Yes the Flock book.

  The Bethel heavies met with the ministers, and as it looks like from the news article, lied their asses off and managed to convince them everything is a-OK.

  The ministers came to the conclusion that JW JC's are NOT a judicial system competing with the Finnish rule of law. And that if somebody feels like their rights have been broken they should go to the police and the matter will be investigated properly, as the ministers are not law enforcement officials and can not start investigating every case themselves.
  

  A Finnish apostate has collected news about this and other matters (in Finnish language, try google translate) on his website.

  
  
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  Judicial Committees illegal in Finland, can this apply to USA law??

  by EndofMysteries in

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  http://yle.fi/uutiset/justice_minister_no_room_for_two_judicial_systems_in_finland/7219841.

  according to this story, finland is investigating and claims that only one judicial body is legal, theirs.

  so a religion having a judicial system is illegal.

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  Unfortunately, the Judicial Committees are NOT deemed illegal in Finland.
  

  The story you linked to is pretty old. It was published before the "investigation" into JW Judicial Committees...

  I am going to copy paste what I wrote about this in another thread:
  

  The "investigation" was like this: The Finnish Minister of Interior and Minister of Justice met with three top dogs from the Finnish Bethel, and apparently, they managed to convince them everything is fine.

  The Ministers issued a press release saying, in essence, that Jehovah's Witnesses Judicial Committees are not a judicial system competing with the Finnish judicial system, and the JC's can be likened to disciplinary measures taken by any non-profit against its own members. And if somebody feels like a crime has been committed against them, they should go to the appropriate authorities.

  So as long as nobody files a criminal complaint against the WT and the case is not taken to court, and ruled against the WT, JCs are assumed legal in Finland and it's business as usual for the WT.
  
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  Flashy convention site

  by Powermetal4ever in

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  dont know if anyone already have shown this, but there's a big convention this summer in stockholm with people from all northern european countries ( i believe it was).

  and this is the site: https://www.sammankomst.org/#/ .

  never seen such a site, it even got a countdown on it.

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  No, its not an assembly hall, it's a football arena...
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  JW video Memes ...........Delusional humor

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. social
  2. humour

  https://instagram.com/jw_video_memes/.

  https://instagram.com/p/zlaylblgo5/?modal=true.

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  Well, I had a good laugh - when I saw they used Ricky Gervais (a notable atheist) for one of the memes. Talk about being utterly clueless :)
  
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  Wife is FOR SURE waking up

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, this is a new development.

  she broached the subject of ttatt tonight.

  said i was right about the flood.

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  I hope all the best for your effort of helping your wife to think for herself. I only hope it will last... my wife has had maybe 2 or 3 brief periods of "lucidity" in the past year or so, when she snaps out of the mind control and has a moment of "OMG we are in a cult". She can even miss a meeting or two. But then she always relapses and goes back to the same old brain-numbing routine of meetings, ministry, meetings, ministry... and believes in JW.org even stronger than before.
  
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  Good Netflix shows to watch

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  in the long winter nights you need some good tv shows to watch while you wait for the eternity between seasons of game of thrones.. we've watched marco polo (pretty good) and have just started watching orange is the new black which is not at all what i imagined (didn't know it was funny!).

  house of cards is on the list too as we've heard good things about that.. anyone have any others that are worth seeing?.

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  I'm a big fan of spy/espionage tv shows. My favorites:

  - Homeland 

  - The Americans (about cold war era "illegals", sometimes a lot like being a fader who knows TTATT ;))

  - Spooks (UK version, not the cut up us version)

  IDK if they are on netflix but if you can get them from, ahem, somewhere, then do. They are very good.