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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

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  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  Abortion is a choice and one that I fully support but don't use my child as the reason. Accept your own limitations for love and acceptance. Don't project them on my child and don't refer to her as a Down syndrome child. You have set your own goals low and that is fine with me.

  What better reason for an abortion than acknowledging that you are not prepared to parent another child....any child? Perhaps to fit into that new dress? What kind of logic is that?

  It seems to me that those of you who have spoken have said that you "love your children" and that they are not a burden. Is it possible that because you have a disabled child, your perspective has changed?

  Look here what misguided said:

  I wanted to abort. I was hoping that it would happen spontaneously.

  Misguided thank you for being OPENLY honest. You were in a situation I have seen a lot of women in. Most of them are Right Wing Christians....including a great deal of XJWs. You are honest enough to admit that you did not feel that you could handle another child. Shit, I used to manage the front office of an all female OBGYN practice. A woman with 7 children, 2 disabled, came in because she noticed an 'odd smell' from down there..... This woman was so frazzled.... Her controlling husband never left her side. It turned out, she was so overworked and overwhelmed that she forgot she had left a tampon inside of her. The Doctor retrieved it, and the husband remarked that "they" were trying for more children. The nurse practitioner, Noreen, came out crying because no matter how the dr tried to tell him that she was very high risk for another pregancy, toxemia or whatever, he didn't care. Noreen tried everything to get her alone (including urine test that he accompanied her for) and she could not do it. She was a breeder for his purposes and his religious desires. $*#&^ THAT!

  The big difference is that because you were a JW you could not seek an abortion. I am not in that situation. I would seek an abortion if I were pregnant with another child that we were not prepared to parent, whether medically fragile or completely healthy. I don't see how that makes us all that different, Misguided.

  You also said:

  Either way, in my opinion, it is up to the individuals (mom & dad) to make that descision, and no one should judge another's choice.

  which is exactly what I have said.... the difference is that I didn't judge their capabilities to make good decisions, but I have been called everything (but a child of god) for saying that would NOT be my choice, and to the extent it is in my power, it won't be my destiny. I've been told I have no capacity to love, blah blah blah.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

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  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  Sanger's quote in 1915:

  It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them.

  She is my hero for stating this, even moreso in 1915.

  Look around you at the rest of the world which denies women access to contraceptive or reproductive knowledge.

  India?

  China?

  South America?

  Africa?

  I don't find it to be a coincedence that women in these countries have baby after baby....and 90% of the time raise them in poverty. Keep looking around you. The concept of a "Happy childhood" did not manifest itself until the last 150 years when parents had wealth at their disposal. Up until that time, and still in most of the world, children are born as little more than servants. To help on the farm. To sell to sex traders. To stitch soccer balls so kids in the USA can play soccer on the weekend.

  Those are just the facts. If there was one thing I could do to change the world, I repeat, I would tell women to stop having all of these GOTDAYUM babies they can't take care of. I would make sure women had access to knowledge.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  I forget,

  That's rich that you would invoke the word 'evolved,' the fact is I used to have your EXACT same view for 4 or 5 years while I was a JW, and after I left the JWs. Four or five years of parenting kind of takes the clouds out of your eyes when you get settled into the day to day realities of parenting responsibilities.

  I also let go of the fantasy that I was going to get another stab at life, and that anything that I didn't accomplish in this life, I could have all of eternity to worry about fixing it. As soon as I adjusted my viewpoint, I adjusted my decisions with regards to responsibility of creation of life.

  LDH, I'm curious at what point you and others like you consider a fetus medically compromised. Some people with Down's Syndrome are highly functioning, others are not. I heard of a man who insisted his wife abort their baby because it had a cleft palate and clenched fists. Where do you draw the line? Also, we've all known women who were told by their doctors that their baby had serious problems, only to have the baby be born absolutely fine because the doctor's made a mistake.

  Just wanting to know what kind of info goes into your decision making.

  StAnn

  In short? Everything the medical experts tell me. Every question I ask that has an answer of probability. I can't speak on the story you gave because I don't know the details, it's just a anecdotal story. For all I know, SHE wanted to have an abortion but was afraid of the reaction of anti-abortionists so she blamed it on her husband. Yes, I have observed this as well.

  I don't gamble, I don't frequent casinos, I don't really even buy lotto scratchers cause I'm not a lucky type person. I stack the deck in my favor and then let it ride.

  You want to know specifically, what fetus or baby would I abort? A fetus with a chromosomatic defect or a severe congenital deformity such as hydrocephaly.

  So tell me this oh deep thinker - if given the "choice" would you abort any type of abnormality if you could determine it with genetic testing prior to birth?

  YES.

  Hitler anyone?

  NO.

  Not the same thing at all. Many babies have also been born that the Dr said "Your baby is completely healthy" and then that baby was NOT.

  I advocate making an informed decision knowing what resources EACH person has.

  Margaret Sanger was both a visionary and a victim of her times. Some of her views she took too far. Her views on women being in control of their reproductive process, she did not. In my opinion.

  In St. Ann's case, she made an informed decision to marry a man who had two disabled children. It's not as though they got married and he said, "Hey by the way." Therefore she made the same decision as women who birth babies have to make, whether to have lifelong responsibility to a human who will be dependent on her until the end of their life.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  LDH perhaps you should go back and CAREFULLY read my post. I DID have genetic testing and it was wrong. So your spouting of science - well it's not always correct.

  and DUH dna is a human being but it is not all that a human being is.

  You simply want to fight and spout hatred. I can see that you simply don't understand because you continue to refer to your "down's syndrome friend" when in fact it's a child with a name and a gender. Our buddy walk is this coming weekend and it's people like you who should stay away. We don't need your hatred or ignorance.

  I said, IF DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS I HAD A CHILD THAT WAS MEDICALLY FRAGILE I WOULD DO MY BEST TO CARE FOR THAT CHILD. However whatever I could do to MINIMIZE that possibility, I would do. Including aborting a fetus that was medically compromised.

  Do you not understand English???? Why do you have a hard time respecting MY personal decision? I thought this was a discussion forum, which by definition includes perspectives other than your own. Why do I (and others like me) have to be lambasted by people who want to tell us I'm selfish if I abort that fetus?
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
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  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  I am very happy for you that you have found work that is emotionally fulfulling. All parenting requires a risk/reward equation--some of it you know going in (like your situation) others you don't.

  So it's whatever works for you--different strokes and all that.

  And I agree with you--many children that are being cared for as wards of the state SHOULD be at home being taken care of by their family. I would never abandon a family member unless I had no other choice.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  Quandry, what frightens me about this thread is that I feel people are taking it upon themselves who has the right to live and who has the right to die. We are assuming we will know everything a person will contribute to society in his lifetime and that we have the right to judge whether their contribution is sufficient to cause us to allow them to live or die.

  Absolute complete stunning bullshit.

  The choice a mother has, is whether or not to carry a KNOWN medically fragile fetus to term.

  That's all that was said. You read everything else into it.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  Do what you want to do, believe what you want to believe.

  You were the one that chose to inject your personal experience. We were talking about an ISSUE, not about you personally. We were talking about a family who had 6 children all with autism.

  I'm glad you're happy. I saw the previews of the show and the woman was sitting on the ground crying while her children were in the midst of behavior issues.

  That ain't for me, or a lot of other women. They just choose to not talk about it openly because of being labeled as having a CRASS, MEAN STREAK, or being uncompassionate.

  Whoops. I guess you did call me names.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  Oh PS. I forget.

  My little boy's schoolmate has a little sister of 5 years old with Down's Syndrome. He has known them for three years. I was singled out by the mother last year, and pulled aside and THANKED for always acknowledging little Emily. When she sees me she runs to me for a hug. We have a grand old time together, and have since kindergarten. My son has been taught from birth that human bodies are not perfect, and some children have puzzle pieces that didn't fit together all the way when the baby was inside of the mom. He is fiercely protective of her. As he should be.

  Emily's mom, one of the Stylish Moms, no longer belongs to the Clique that she used to belong to. It seems the other Stylish Moms have a hard time looking her in her face, or talking to her, or talking to little Emily. They are more interested in what cheerleading outfits their daughters will be wearing.

  Oddly enough, Lisa the Uncompassionate, was tearfully thanked for treating her like......a human being.

  We are the honorary family members at her Down's Syndrome walk this Saturday.

  Just for your information.
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  Autism Times six.. on discovery health

  by Cc81 in

  1. social
  2. family

  has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6?

  they have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism.

  i was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad.

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  LDH

  I suggest to Mrs. Jones not to focus on posters who lack compassion. I haven't told her to skip over your posts

  I like how discussion of a subject, and statements made about responsible reproduction by myself and others have led you to judge that "WE" are not compassionate.

  Outrageous.

  In effect, you have reduced a HUMAN BEING down to a tiny extra piece of DNA, which is exactly why over 90% of babies diagnosed with Down syndrome are aborted. You are liars. You are uneducated. You are haters. You have no idea how to paint. You can’t even begin to know how to see the 47 th color.

  To reduce my child down to her extra chromosome begins a slippery slope that leads directly to Nazi Germany. Remember that leader? Yeah he could not see many colors even in the traditional 46-paint set. We know where that led.

  Human beings ARE DNA.

  If you want to stick your hand in the bin with your eyes closed and pull out the acrylics on sale, and you can be satisfied with whatever colors you pull in your hand, so be it.

  I chose and would still choose to SELECT the colors with which I paint. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

  I don't condemn anyone's personal choice. I see you are unable to return the favor. I guess you want everyone on the pity train, or everyone to swoon over what a great mother you are. Yes, I have experienced this phenomenon FIRST HAND, and my husband and I are helping to pay the price financially as well as emotionally because of a very damaged family member whose mother ran out of steam to care for her. I don't accept the "I'll take whatever God hands me, because he would never hand me more than I can handle." argument.

  I call bullshit. Even with modern science, pregnancy is STILL a lottery, and when children are born healthy most parents I know breathe a deep sigh of relief.

  And after reading this thread, I now know for a fact I would crawl on my hands and knees to get an abortion of a genetically or physically compromised baby. If, despite genetic testing I had a child that had ANY health issues, I would get sterilized and then do my best to take care of that child.
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  Zimbabwe Branch Is Cutting Back

  by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

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  i got this email from my cousin.

  i don't know if it is true, but it looks like the society is being run out of africa...... things are really heating up in this wicked system & the end will be here shortly.from a brother in the zimbabwe bethel.

  ******hi to you all,zimbabwe is going through a very difficult time.

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  LDH

  PS Mexico went through this in the 80's, one dollar was worth 3,000 pesos. They finally just dropped two zeros from everything, LOL..

  A dollar was worth 30 pesos.

  What is the point of printing a note that says "ten bazillion flip flaps" when you know it's not worth a wooden nickel or the paper it's printed on.