we had the co a few weeks ago.
i waited a few weeks for time to pass to post.
we now have a new co. he started in september and his first visit to our congo was a little while ago.
If I ever lost my mind and went back, I'm afraid I could not hold my tongue and would be in the same boat as that sister. She has the advantage of age though. I, on the other hand, would probably be labeled as an "independent thinker" and not "submissive" enough.
I've thought about it, and if I was approached by the elders - my response would be "Thank you for your concern. As a single woman, my head is Jehovah, not any man." [Smile].
What could they say to that?
a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.
i was surprised to say the least!.
i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.
Coded Logic -
I would say that the underlying difference in how people are answering comes down to the fact that some people think "the most moral decision" is to follow what the person would want if they were conscious rather than doing what you would decide for yourself.
In my case, I am my mother's representative, her stand-in. So for me the most moral decision I could make is to honor her wishes. And I think legally, because she has that the blood card as a legal document, I don't think I could choose to do otherwise. Besides, she is a true believer regular pioneer, so you know hordes of people would swarm me should I do any different.
With all the information available, if people are staying in, it's because they want to. People believe strange things. Everyone has the free will to make their own choices, be right or wrong, succeed or fail. It's their right and it is not our right to strip them of it.
a few years after i quit the meetings my mum needed her medical directive signed and witnessed and she asked if i'd do it.
i was surprised to say the least!.
i think she was just angling to include me and maybe find some lever to get me involved again.
I believe tolerance goes both ways. So, yes. It is their right to choose for themselves what they want and it is not my place to violate that. I am the medical representative listed on my mother's blood card, and should it come to that, I plan on following her conscience.
It's her life, not mine. If I want her to respect my right to be "inactive", then I think it is the right thing to do to respect her right to be a true believer. In my view, part of being an adult is respecting other people's right to their own points of view, opinions, etc and supporting what is important to them, even if it is something that is not important to me.
We don't have to be the same to be respectful and loving. Otherwise, how are we any different than the hypocrasy many of us have experienced at the KH?
hi people,.
i want as much data as possible on the effect of the internet on the time captured by the cult.. please answer the three following questions about yourself or about someone you know (for example, if your parents or grandparents were jw's and left).
1) were you raised as a jw, or did you convert?.
1) Raise (1971)
2) 1988
3) 2007 (only attend Memorial and funerals)
Time in: 1971 - 2007 (36) total years associated
1988 -2007 (21) years baptized
just a little disclaimer: english isn't my first language (i'm from france) thus the poor writing skills.here is the situation: i'm not a jw.
however, i'm in the process of becoming one.
in fact, i'm studying with the jw's, and i'll proceed to become an unbaptized publisher as soon as i finish the first book.to make a long story short i was introduced to the truth when i was 18een.
The issue is they are jealous of you on multiple levels:
1) you are smart
2) you are attractive
3) you are sensual
4) you are independent
5) you are educated
How could they possibly compete?
All of this however gets you the label of being "dangerous" - it won't matter if you move congregations unless you move to an affluent congregation with many educated/professionals - you will be treated like this no matter where you go.
They consider you a threat and they always will...
Leave now while you still can.
there are two sources online to get these pdfs.
https://www.citizenaudit.org/111857820/ lists 2010-2013 ( i would prefer this link because it's the most up to date).
http://www.guidestar.org/viewpdf.aspx?pdfsource=0&ein=11-1857820 lists 2010-2012. book value of all assets at end of year: (can be found on the 990-t for on top left on 1st page).
there are two sources online to get these pdfs.
https://www.citizenaudit.org/111857820/ lists 2010-2013 ( i would prefer this link because it's the most up to date).
http://www.guidestar.org/viewpdf.aspx?pdfsource=0&ein=11-1857820 lists 2010-2012. book value of all assets at end of year: (can be found on the 990-t for on top left on 1st page).
through this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.
initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.
all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.
bafh Thankyou, good point and I appreciate your comment. I am wondering how I may bring this in to the "suggestions" as the RC here is looking for a reason to de- exempt. All points are most welcome. I will take them all on board.
Thank you.
What about making their tax exempt status dependent on complying with the requirements:
1) that all volunteers with any sort of responsibility - pioneer, ministerial servant, elder, etc be required to have a background check.
2) requiring elders to report to the authorities all known abuse regardless of how they came to be aware of it - confession or reports from parents/victims and without regard to how long it had been since the alleged incident(s) happened.
3) all who are known offenders - through their own confession or through conviction by a court - be made known in every congregation - like a known offender list - made available through the elders, or the branch - maybe even onJW.org in some discreet way.
I'm not sure what country you are in, but if they don't comply with legal requirements for reporting child abuse, their tax exempt status should be taken away or their organization dissolved.
through this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.
initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.
all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.
It might seem too unreasonable for the first suggestion to go after the tax exemption. There is too much that can be done to finangle books and activities so they qualify - and it doesn't get to the root of the issue....
It would be more effective to recommend:
1) that all volunteers with any sort of responsibility - pioneer, ministerial servant, elder, etc be required to have a background check.
2) requiring elders to report to the authorities all known abuse regardless of how they came to be aware of it - confession or reports from parents/victims and without regard to how long it had been since the alleged incident(s) happened.
3) all who are known offenders - through their own confession or through conviction by a court - be made known in every congregation - like a known offender list - made available through the elders, or the branch - maybe even on JW.org in some discreet way.
my 2 cents
bafh
across the u.s the minimum wages are $5.15 in wyoming to $9.50 in dc,.
average $8.00.
eve montes in california pick grapes for $9.50 an hour and she.
