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May 15 2011 WT - study edition out

by just n from bethel in

i don't really care to download it and review it and see how it's the same old same old - but i do like to read up on others doing it here.

:) i'm a lazy leach like that.. so - get to it guys.. www.jw.org.

edit: haha- i said 2001 in the title - meant 2011.

itscrap&theyknowit!

There is a discussion on this board somewhere referring to the 'wives letting the husbands make the decisions and FULLY supporting him'. Does anyone else notice paragraphs 10-14!!!! A wife that may be a smart woman is constantly put down as FOOLISH!!!! It boils my brain! Should you not agree with your husband and constantly ALLOW him to make dumb-a$$ decisions THAT ARE TO THE DEMISE OF THE MARRIAGE & FAMILY....WE WIVES ARE CONSIDERED FOOLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has just been another way of undermining women in the organization using CONTROL!

Has anyone else noticed this????? I brought it up to my Mom who is a JW (sometimes, when it is of her benefit). She cussed me out and asked under what circumstances would you NOT agree with him? I told her, "ummmm, it gave NONE."

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May 15 WT sisters support your husband.....or else!

by hoser in

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friends

the new study watchtower page 9 explains how sisters should be happy to be servants to their elder husbands.. "co-operate in financial matters".

"joyful to see her husband active in the congregation".

if he makes a decision you disagree with "she displays a quiet and mild spirit and cooperates with him to make his decision work".

itscrap&theyknowit!

@WTWIZARD- GREAT points!! I have seen may wives, even aunts, who have followed this to an exceptional TEE! Sisters have lost their husbands to death, young and old. When their husbands die or should leave them for someone else, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE A CHECK OR PAY A BILL! I was like this. Went from my parent's home at 19 to marriage for 20 years. Neither one of us had lived on our own. For about 8 years, we had severe money issues. Also, with the thinking that soon we won't have to be bothered with this system anymore and it's issues (namely, money).

Being a Witness has given me more negatives in my life. Now, since I've had this 'awakening' and wanting to be on my own, I look at the price of leasing a condo, maintaining a car, paying just to buy a candy bar on my own, is scary. This is the result of being a Jehovah's Witness all your life.

My kids, I show them the REAL WORLD! They are young, right now. They pay me $5.00 a month for rent and 75cents if they want to go to use gas in my car ( I drive them because they a minors). I am only showing them that they have to take care of THEMSELVES and EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE! As a witness, as long as the women worked under 15-20 hours a week and doing menial jobs just to put money in the tank for field service was all that was necessary. B***sh**!!!!

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

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May 15 WT sisters support your husband.....or else!

by hoser in

jw
friends

the new study watchtower page 9 explains how sisters should be happy to be servants to their elder husbands.. "co-operate in financial matters".

"joyful to see her husband active in the congregation".

if he makes a decision you disagree with "she displays a quiet and mild spirit and cooperates with him to make his decision work".

itscrap&theyknowit!

....and THIS F***** UP thinking is why my marriage is OVERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

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friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

My elders have done the same thing to me. Only it is I am mentally ill.

@LIFEISTOSHORT - Yeah! That's what MY HUSBAND was telling everybody...even my own damn family was accepting it! I had 'mental issues'! I was so damned angry.

When you choose to leave the organization, you go thru a bunch of emotions. Oh!!! Then, he wanted to take me to a psychiatrist!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the years I would say let's talk to the brothers about the crap that was going on in our marriage, he NEVER wanted to go. PLUS, THEY DON'T TALK TO YOU UNLESS YOUR HUSBAND WANTS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!! He even told me elders don't get shepherding calls!!!!!!!!!! When I recently brought that to his attention, he says, "I never said that." I wanted to f--- slap his teeth outta his mouth!!! I just called him a liar and left the room.

I told him that I knew about his dimantling my character. He says, "but, you have to hear my side of the story." B***sh**!!! And you want me to stay in a marriage where you have told EVERYONE your wife is mentally ill? You want to stay married to a mentally ill person?

I chose to get educated, leave the organization and leave my spine-less husband. Now, I'm mentally ill? OOOOKKKKAAYYYY..............

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

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friends

i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

itscrap&theyknowit!

From djeggnog....

I've found that many of the folks here are hardly literate, and I believe some of these are high school dropouts lacking social skills, and have apparent reading comprehension problems, so they are often on the defensive when conversing with them (which may be the reason some bodies of elders have reckoned such illiteracy as a lack of repentance and haughtiness and voted to disfellowship them when these persons were just ignorant and were lacking in faith as had the apostle Paul). (1 Timothy 1:13)

You've got to be kidding me!!!! I have been around the 'truth' ALL MY LIFE and I have to say close to 75% of elders thruout MANY of the congregation I've experienced are NOT intelligent. They ARE NOT eloquent. THEY ARE charismatic like PIMPS!

I have listened to brothers with HORRIBLE SPEAKING qualities. They are totally inept.

My question is, "What in the f---- are you doing on here?"!!! You are on here because you have doubt in the organization/society. It's okay to let it out on here.

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

Everyone came first over me. We never had dinner together as we lived 30 minutes from the hall and we were so tight on money that I had to make lunch and dinner and after all day in service we went back to hall and stayed there while he studied for the meetings. He was the school overseer, WT conductor, secretory, service overseer. All the friends dumped on him all the time and their problems and needs came frist in our marriage.

I would answer the phone and be yelled if he was not home. One of the MS's wife got supper mad at me because we did not have the money for a phone the first couple of months of our marriage. She was beyond livid at me and asked me how stupid was I being an elders wife without a phone so my husband could take care of his elder duties. I was so hurt and blown away by her anger at me that I just starred at her not believing she wanted me to really answer her. She demanded to know again how STUPID was I. When I told her I guess I was really stupid as she clearly was not going to go away until I answered her, she said YES YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!! Oh she was pissed at me.

When I told my husband he said he could not believe me. He said no JW would ever speak to anyone like that I must have made it all up.

@LIFEISTOOSHORT - I hurt for you!!!! I have been there. Are you divorced? My husband has done the same to me. I would NEVER question ANYONE in the organization as everything was PURE!!!! Always turned the other cheek. Hell!!! I kept it turned as the y continually slapped the sh** out of me (not physically). They may as well had! My stomach stayed in knots because HE WOULD NEVER PROTECT ME!!!!! I was a grown woman and my Mom and younger sister had to visit my congregation plenty of times to 'check up on me'. The sisters were very jealous and envious. There were times it was horrible. But, my spineless husband would chastise me, not them.

And baaaaabyyyy!!!!! I grew a spine and some thick skin! They started calling me crazy when I got to the point of 'talking back'. The organization, not the world, turned me into a 'pottymouth'. I had NO problem putting sister...and brothers...in their places now!

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

@ROSKI - I am sooooo sorry for your loss!!!!!!!!!!!!! Death is a horrible blow! As for your husband, let him answer to Jehovah if that's what he believes in! Like I told my husband, "you aren't serving Jehovah. You're serving THE ORGANIZATION!" It has been to the demise of our marriage. Our husbands are fine and have tunnel vision due to this dumb a$$ religion.

I can tell my husband would leave if he could. But, the APPEARANCE factor for his family and other friends would probably make him commit suicide. Anyway, I've told him to stay with the organization, I nolonger want him.

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

Anybody reading this who thinks they are stuck in a loveless JW marriage. You aren't stuck. You only THINK you're stuck. You can control your destiny. Nobody say you have to suffer forever. It's up to YOU what your future will be. No one else. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

@MR.FLIPPER - Thank you, so much for that GREAT "peace" of advice!!! I say "peace" because that is what it is...PEACE OF MIND! We are taught as Witnesses that the only way out of marriage is adultery or death. It amazes me to see the sisters with sad and forlorn faces, who are depraved of their husbands ture love because of this all-consuming cult. I have seen sisters who change their work schedules at their jobs to evening shifts JUST SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ATTEND MEETINGS! Of course, the husband who is an elder MAKES HER COME OFF THAT SCHEDULE OR QUIT HER JOB ALTOGETHER!!!!!! I was one of those sisters!!!

20 years of marriage just to be divorced...AND CAN'T STAND THE AIR THAT THIS PERSON BREATHES TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH YOU??????? It's time to divorce. We live together as 'roommates' for the sake of our kids. But, that has gotten old because he STILL wants to monitor who I'm out with, choose my friends, make sure I'm not with any dis-fellowshipped people or even just trying to see if I've committed adultery along the way.

It is a horrible existence. Our kids notice it. I want to be in love again. It's time for me to finalize my marriage.

But, then he says, "If you divorce me and we have no grounds, you will leave me in lingo as not to marry again." I looked at him and told him to continue screwing the sister he secretly has been seeing and the female at his job....you'll be just fine!

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

jw
friends

i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

itscrap&theyknowit!

@GREWUP - I've endured alot. I would think they would support me 'getting out' of a miserable situation. They have seen first hand with my marriage and have been BEYOND upset because of his status as elder inthe congreagtion! But,now? Oh, because he continues on in meeting attendance and taking the kids to the hall for the sake of their lives @ Armageddon! WTF???!!! He is a 'whitewashed grave full of crap'! Nobody thinks to say, 'wow, his crap has caught up with him.' I guess if I told them all the gory details, it would satisfy them-NOT! He shiny and true because thru it all, he's still a child a of God in the eyes of the borganization! APPEARANCES, APPEARANCES...................

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For those that are and have been married,did the JW lifestyle aggravate "typical" marital and family problems?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i ask this in consideration of last week's and this week's congregation bible study which focuses on the responsibilities of christian parents, and husbands.

i also ask this in harmony with itscrap&theyknowit's thread which is a heluva opening post by the way.

i linked it below for those that aren't familiar with it.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/206133/1/why-i-eventually-left.

itscrap&theyknowit!

@MISERYLOVESELDERS- No. Your're ok to ask. I loved my husband, at one time. Correction. I WORSHIPPED my husband. This went on FOR YEARS. I also felt it was my duty. After all those years, I got to a point where I had no respect for him. He would always tell me, "If I should lose my position in the congregation for your foolishness (my being late, not having the kids ready for the meeting, me not leaving my job early to get to meetings on time, not having my Watchtower article studied to a tee....etc, etc, etc) I will forever resent you." WTF?!!! He was now are angry with me because now we have 2 beautiful children and he can nolonger galavant with the religion. We were nolonger a 'perfect JW' family for all to based their hopes and dreams on. At this point, we were only in our late 20's - early 30's!!!!

Oh! I stopped having sex altogether!!!!!!!!! It gave me 'power beyond what is normal'!!!!!!! I stopped letting him pump his cramp in me. Needed to stop 2 things.....going to the hall and having sex with him! lol!!!! NOW, he begs, tries to buy me the things I've always wanted but never asked for, wants to take me on vacations, just the 2 of us (but, thru all these years I would beg for his time to be with me...I was not deserving of that and if we did go away, we would miss field service and our own meetings. If we did go away, he would make it HELL for me.)

So, now....GAME OVER. I won, despite what the dumb-a$$ 'friends' tell him! I give him HELL EVERYDAY. As easy as just not talking to him or inviting him to family functions or vacations with the kids. HE CRIES NOW & IT KILLS HIM, he says. Karma is a BI***! As the JWS that!