2 Thessalonians 3:6-15 GWBrothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ we order you not to associate with any believer who doesn't live a disciplined life and doesn't follow the tradition you received from us. [7] You know what you must do to imitate us. We lived a disciplined life among you. [8] We didn't eat anyone's food without paying for it. Instead, we worked hard and struggled night and day in order not to be a burden to any of you. [9] It's not as though we didn't have a right to receive support. Rather, we wanted to set an example for you to follow. [10] While we were with you, we gave you the order: "Whoever doesn't want to work shouldn't be allowed to eat." [11] We hear that some of you are not living disciplined lives. You're not working, so you go around interfering in other people's lives. [12] We order and encourage such people by the Lord Jesus Christ to pay attention to their own work so they can support themselves. [13] Brothers and sisters, we can't allow ourselves to get tired of doing what is right. [14] It may be that some people will not listen to what we say in this letter. Take note of them and don't associate with them so that they will feel ashamed. [15] Yet, don't treat them like enemies, but instruct them like brothers and sisters.
Posts by Lieu
-
37How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?
by Tazemanian-devil ini was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.
if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.
how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?
-
-
-
17
The real issue is long term solvency.
by joe134cd inok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.
although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.
the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.
-
-
Lieu
A Shepherd isn't the owner of the Flock. He's an employee or servant to the actual owner.. He would only make money if he owned a few sheep himself, etc. Biblically speaking, it's Christ's flock, not mans. -
27
One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?
by Tornintwo inso after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).
as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.
in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.
-
-
Lieu
1. They kicked Jesus completely out and replaced him with some guys I know nothing about. Kinda like the Wizard of Oz deal. They tell the majority that christ is simply not for them. [Christ is simply not important in the JW world; his role is completely disrespected and ignored.] I do believe that is part of the definition of anti-Christ.
2. I hated the application of half a scripture, taken completely out of context, to support JW policy.
3. JW Governing body's claimed 'holy spirit' is fickle and can't make up its mind about what is right or true. Peanut butter could be good this week and bad the next.
4. Calling people by their last names in a familiar setting is condescending. It's not done, in the Bible, unless several people have the same first name (ex. Mary) or in the case of the traitor Judas Iscariot.
5. Jesus never used God's name. It's vain to use it for your religion when Christ himself did not.
6. Who's to say Abraham, God's friend, won't go to heaven? Dumb.
-
37
How Much Do Circuit Overseers Make Under the Table, and is it Taxable?
by Tazemanian-devil ini was thinking about green handshakes, and i knew my wife and i personally would try to slide at least $100 each c.o visit to the c.o.
if we were low on cash, we'd never hand him less than $20.
how many of such handshakes does he receive in a weeks time?
-
-
Lieu
Interesting. I don't give "kept men" any money. Unlike Paul, they're simply a burden on others. Heck! The goobers don't even see fit to provide tuna fish sandwiches at conventions anymore.
Yet after hours of sitting, some with nothing to eat, they want you to give them money. Hell no! They received free, they can give free.
-
26
What on earth have the JW org got to offer?
by Half banana inwhat on earth have jw org got to offer?.
one hundred and thirty six years this july of the worlds most published and least read magazine: the inglorious watchtower.
nothing in it which is original has been of any use to mankind.
-
-
Lieu
Er, a joyful existence as a monk at a book factory for young poorly educated men? -
33
A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)
by FusionTheism ina whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).
i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.
the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).
-
-
Lieu
You forgot "invisible enthronements" and rabid analogies of us (annointed)verse them(earthies).
The 1914 invisible enthronement is the WTBTS very reason for existence. Their claim to fame so to speak. I guess that whole sit at my right hand business was a lie since Christ's enemies are running amok while he's supposedly enthroned already. Either that or he should be fired for doing a piss poor job. I see no seasons of refreshing.
Also the many analogies make absolutely no sense. At times, they're just plain stupid. Some things were said just for the people of that time. Most things said do not have double meanings.
-
17
The real issue is long term solvency.
by joe134cd inok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.
although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.
the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.
-
-
Lieu
Well Rutherford did say, "religion is a snare and a racket", as he laughed while driving a brand new car every year. -
45
Three elders show up "to encourage me" after 10 years!
by Wasanelder Once in"hey brother wasa, come on back to the meetings.
" (after 10 years) so i respond that the situation with pedophiles is out of hand.
they tell me "we" elders have received tons of training on the subject, its not like it was 10 years ago.
-
-
Lieu
Three? Sounds like loads of fun times. Since I've never been afraid of them, I'd probably mention that I could feel the spirit and then offer them some; likely vodka & cranberry. -
69
"Your bad attitude is evident, because you don't bring a meeting bag to the meetings anymore!"
by stuckinarut2 inyes friends.....this is the comment said to me by an elder!.
"your bad attitude is evident because you don't bring your meeting bag anymore!".
i calmly replied: "but everything i need is on the tablet now......".
-
-
Lieu
Haaaaa!!!!! -
27
What I Learned Today
by OneFingerSalute injust thought i would share what i learned today sitting for several miserable hours at the circus assembly.. while i took "notes" i just cannot stand trying to type out all the details.
so suffice it to say the entire program can be covered with these few observations.. do more!
give more!
-
-
Lieu
Shame. I see they still keep attempting to kill off the Son to steal his inheritance for themselves. Odd ball "Christians" who never speak of Christ.
I guess that would be too much of a problem for JWs; all that forgiveness, light loads, helping the poor, non judgmental humility, and such.