Posts by Lieu

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So I clicked on the Mormon come-on advertisement to "Come chat about Jesus Christ"

by oppostate in

so i clicked on the mormon come-on advertisement on the top, the right side and the bottom of the jwd page that invited me to "come chat about jesus christ".. i started a chat with brook and taiza and asked them why the subtitle of the book of mormon changed from "another gospel of jesus christ" to "another testament of jesus christ".. brooke told me it hadn't so i googled it and told them there's plenty of websites that refer to it that way and i had a very old copy with that subtitle on it.. so taiza says it's probably a copy by some break off group and not from them.. i told her the inside said from the "lds".

so they left the chat.. so i figured maybe there's a technical glitch and i shouldn't assume they just dropped me.. so i log on again and give my last name instead of my first name this time.. and hellen and catherine log into the channel.. i ask them again about the title change and they drop off the chat.. so i figured twice is very unlikely that they had a glitch, and i'm pretty sure they dropped me because they didn't like my question.. one more time, i'll give them one more try.. so i log on again, with my middle name this time.. brooke and jayne log on.. i type that i'd been chatting previously with brooke.. she types back that she's a different brooke.. so jayne starts asking if i read the book of mormon.. i say yes and i have a question about it.. so i ask my question about the "another gospel" to 'another testament" change.. she says that she does not recall ever hearing about that and what do i like about the book of mormon.. i then ask her about the "gospel" paul wrote about in corinthians.. she says it's the same as in the book of mormon.. i ask back that if the gospel is the "same" why call it another???

and i quote her galatians 1:8.. she says that it does not apply to the book of mormon since it is not different from the bible so therefore, it is not another good news.. but that is the subtitle of the book isn't it.. so she sends me a link to a two minute video by the lds telling of the finding of the tablets and the transcription from reformed egyptian to english by joseph smith.. i started questioning whether reformed egyptian was a real language.

Lieu

What's Maroni doing writing in Egyptian cuneiform anyway? Was he illiterate in English?

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What started me on the path to waking up about the lies the WT teaches?

by oppostate in

it was a simple question: isn't jesus my "mediator" if i put faith in him like the scriptures say?

the research to that answer, from the w79 4/1 p. 31, was mind blowing.

how dare they deny me a belief firmly stated in the scriptures?

Lieu

Scriptures taken way out of context. Annoying.

No Jesus. The GB is Jesus. They killed him off to take his inheritance.

Org worship. The Org is God. Preposterous!

If I were God (all proud about my kid's success) and had told everyone to go through him, take comfort in him, ask for things in his name ... and you completely ignored him; but not content with just you, you compel others to do the same.

I'd be one pissed off dad.

Oh, and meetings were soooo mind numbingly boring.

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JW terminology

by punkofnice in

paradise earth after god kills all non jws.

Lieu

Running Ahead of the Organization - You know stuff before the GB knows stuff. A no-no. Never mention you know stuff that they don't know.

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OMG They are right here in River City!

by myway2007 in

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friends

jacksonville, fl - the local newspaper had an article on the convention going on for the next two weekends.

while i could not find the article, i was able to find this slide show of this weekend's events.

the newspaper article was interesting as it discussed what a wonderful job they were doing cleaning the arena seats and bathrooms and everyone was enjoying their job.

Lieu

Hey! I'd hire a crew for janitorial services. An all lady crew ( I've never seen a male do any cleaning up.)

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That’s What Happens When You Leave the Truth.

by John Aquila in

it never failed, when someone got disfellowshipped or left the organization, their life became shambles.

if married, a divorce ensued.

if the person had a great job, the company would lay-off or close.

Lieu

Well, that's because JWs equate the Org with God. "If you leave the Org, you leave Jehovah". If you disagree, same thing. Yet who in their right mind would put up with all that negative brow beating?

The Org is the locked room with the electrified floor. The R&F is the dog. The Org constantly applies shock to the R&F who can't get out of the room. After months/years of being shocked, the R&F (still being shocked) won't leave the room, even if someone unlocks and opens the door.

They don't seem to get that some may leave because they simply don't like the WTBTS anymore.

You can't leave us, we love you! Creepy really. Kinda like a crazy abusive significant other.

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Why using Jehovah for God's name is as good as using Yahweh

by oppostate in

in another thread i wrote some notes about why using jehovah in english is as good as using yahweh.

i'm starting a discussion on this topic because it sounds quite ignorant to hear people talk of the monk who started using it in latin without really understanding why the monk did so.. the spanish dominican monk, raymundus martini, in 1270, didn't get hoodwinked by an old jewish superstition about pronouncing the divine name with the vowel points of another word.. 1. first the vowel points of adonay and jehovah cannot be the same for grammatical reasons.

you just can't use the same vowel points because some vowels aren't paired with some consonants in pronouncing hebrew words.

Lieu

Why bother? Jesus never did. Not even once.

It isn't the name given by which all men can get saved anyway.

And when God took out a people "for his name", they were called Israelites.

And no one cares about a "Dark Ages" monk. He would have done better passing out bread to Europe's starving masses who were being treated as parias by the RCC.

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Is the Org Putting Elders in the Firing Line?

by The Searcher in

in view of the conti verdict of negligence by the org, are elders who are selected by the c.o.

now in a precarious position?

"charity trustees face potential liabilities in a number of ways.

Lieu

All Elders need to demand a college (continuing education) course on EEOC & basic abuse law with a level 1 psychology class (human behavior). Then 1 year mandatory ride a longs with their local police child abuse detectives.

They should not be allowed or responsible for rendering decisions on legal matters for which they have no accredited or real world training.

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How do you feel about exJW's who resist our efforts to effect change?

by nicolaou in

i've met a few.

i'm not talking about the jw who, whether df'd or not, falls off the radar and just gets on with living a normal life - good luck to them and may there be many more!.

i mean the former jehovah's witness who is now enjoying all the benefits of a cult free life thanks to the efforts of many bloggers, posters and activists, but is critical of the efforts of someone close them to free more jws.

Lieu

No need for the internet, blogs, or other people's comments for me. Too many complete out of context scriptures, a WT study article which glaringly contradicted the prior weeks article (plus knowing the GB doesn't even review WT articles written by any male member), and the whole ignore Jesus thing was all I needed.

I also already realized that "the other sheep" Jesus referred to were the Gentiles, not some lesser "hope" group.

Now, if anyone is convinced to exit by something they've read on the net, I'm certainly not against it. It was likely something that's been gnawing at their spirit that they could not get a straight answer to from "the society".

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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

by OrphanCrow in

this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

so who is lorenz reibling?

Lieu

He's one of the many shareholders of WTBTS stock. Most don't realize the WTBTS is listed on the NASDAC like any other corporation & that many shareholders are not JW.

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How to Block an Interrogation by J.W's

by The Searcher in

"don't you believe that this is god's spirit-directed organization?".

"do you believe that god is teaching us through the faithful & discreet slave?

"who else has the truth?

Lieu

If you knew it before the GB knew it, then you're "running ahead of the Org". See how that works? For some strange reason the HS works faster in you ... and this is not a good thing to JWs. You must slow down & let the GB win "the race".

So the Holy Spirit should not be telling your lowly nothing self anything 'cause Jesus only mediates with the benevolent in New York USA like the GB and John Smith.

New Jerusalem and New York are like Fozzie and Kermit: Twins.