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  The Congregational Make Up Research Project: WTB&TS wants to know you.

  by oppostate in

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  we have a bethel speaker on the english side.

  they're pretty regular up here since it's only three and a half hours drive from nyc.. but this is a special kind of visit.. it turns out he's involved in doing a special research project and the christian congregation of jw's wants to know us better.. in order for the broadcasting to address issues more meaningful for families, they want to know the demographic make up of the congregations.. he spoke with the secretary about young single publishers and couples 20-35 y.o.

  how are they employed.

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  He's either up to some mischief or trying to appear relevant so as not to get the boot.

  You think they are going to guilt "donation" tithes?

  They would know better most congregations' situations if they visited a few yearly and unannounced. 
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  Galatians 5:26 was used in and before the 1960`s to not be involved in competitive sports for yourself or for your children

  by smiddy in

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  myself and my peers in the jw organization in the 1960`s discouraged our children from entering into competitive sports because of the jw policy , regarding that scripture .. has their been a radical change since then ?

  a re-interpretation of that scripture ?.

  why i ask this question is : here in victoria australia where afl football ( aussie rules ) is often regarded as a religion , especially to the state, victoria , we have, according to the media , a devout jehovah`s witness playing professional afl football at a competitive level.. and at their latest win , the team , including alec rance a jw of the richmond club was enthusiastically singing the club victory song along with his teammates on their win .. are their other examples of this in other parts of the world or is this an australian hiccup.. smiddy.

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  Lieu

  The Williams sisters.

  In high school I played team sports ... nothing was ever said about it.
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  It is now official: Another falsified Watchtower prophecy

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  "jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the 'last days' began.

  ... even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of 'this generation' nearly 70 years old today.

  " awake!

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  Lieu

  Whomever is a part of the "generation" has to see everything occur, not just some of it.

  From my perspective, none of those folks are a part of the "generation" spoken of. And 1914 is plain silly, invisible presence .... pffft!
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  Official List of Helpers to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by jwleaks in

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  official current list as published by watchtower >>> here.

  official list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

  list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

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  Lieu

  Ah, so that's their Holy Spirit???? It's the only "helper" spoken of by the Apostles and Christ.

  Poor choice in titles, imo.
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  I'm getting baptized

  by BlackWolf in

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  i know i've started similar topics before but this time i'm serious.

  my parents have been constantly pressuring me and after yesterday's watchtower study they asked me if i was going to be baptized this summer... and i said yes.

  i probably should have thought about it more before making a final decision, but they're pretty much forcing me to do it anyway.

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  Keep on going in this direction. You're not ready and it's a disgrace what your parents are doing.
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  900000 US$ donations from Brother Nelson (aka Prince)

  by sp74bb in

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  2005 - $20,000 for chanhassen jevovah witnes y st louis jehovah witness2006 - $130,000 for jehovah witness kingdom hall2007 - $800,000 for peccole ranch lakes kingdom hall fund.

  the amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his love 4 one another foundation..

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  Actually, they have no authority to "judge". They have no authority either. But since there isn't any Christ for JWs .... just putting the truth out there.

  Money mongers. All you need is a lot of money and a penise then you can be as seedy as you wish in JW land.
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  Try Being Kind...It Actually Feels Good!

  by EyesOpenHeartBroken in

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  let me start by saying that this forum has been helpful to me in many ways.

  i haven't gotten involved in much commenting and i am not very assertive by nature so i've steered away from participating in debates.

  but i have read threads often and had a sense of community.

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  We should remember people here have come from a place where they can't express an opinion. Now here, they simply don't know how and are still stuck in 'everyone must agree' mode.

  Discussions should not be arguments. All points of view are valid.
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  "Death will be no more" - ONLY earthly blessing?

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  todays daily text refers to a new?

  explanation for doorkeepers that "death will be no more" would only refer to an earthly blessing, because it would be logically according to the text that in heaven no one ever died or death had never been there.

  seems like wishful argument for the earthly paradise.. dont forget the 144000 members of the heavenly class that will receive heavenly blessing after death and used for decades rev.

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  Lieu

  Hmmmm, let's see what the Christ fellow said

  Luke 20:34-36 NET

  So Jesus said to them, "The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. [35] But those who are regarded as worthy to share in that age and in the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. [36] In fact, they can no longer die, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

  "They can no longer die" those resurrecteds.

  Rev 20:7-15 appears to say the resurrection takes place AFTER Satan gets the final boot, not during the 1000 yr reign or before. It's at the point where the books of life are opened. If you were decent enough you get resurrected to life and as Jesus said "can no longer die". If you were plainly a no goodnick you get trashed and are not resurrected.

  Seems simple enough to me.

  
  

  As to there being death in heaven or not, no one knows. I do know they've got some angel police.
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  Similar but not the same

  by Deleteandrestart in

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  after watching ceders you tube video on muslim and jw shunning, i thought i'd look at some other ex religious you tubers, so i looked at the mormon ones, .

  theres a lot of them but what struck me was the very similar mindsets and the way the internet made them start to question from a critical thinking point of view their own faith , it was just like another brand of the exact same thing and these people were experiencing the same thoughts as we get when we start to leave/question the "truth ",.

  the main difference seems t be that jw shunning is totally merciless and never ending, and no real forgiveness takes place unless you cave in .

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  Lieu

  Luke 17:1-4 NET
  Jesus said to his disciples, "Stumbling blocks are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! [2] It would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. [3] Watch yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. [4] Even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times returns to you saying, 'I repent,' you must forgive him."

  Matthew 18:15-17 NET"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault when the two of you are alone. If he listens to you, you have regained your brother. [16] But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you, so that at the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. [17] If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. If he refuses to listen to the church, treat him like a Gentile or a tax collector.

  Don't look for any mercy from JWs. They don't particularly care what Jesus said especially if an elder feels some butthurt about the situation.
  
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  The Jehovah`s Witness / Watchtower Religion is Just Another American Born Cult Religion

  by smiddy in

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  the international bible students association of charles taze russell and his associates were influenced by other cults of his time most of which believed they were living in the last days , the end times of bible prophecy .. some of which were , the many adventists sects , the christadelphians , mormons ,and the adventists playing a huge influence on russells writings,.

  was charles taze russell chosen by jehovah to lead a revival of the true religion on earth ?

  over a hundred years ago ?.

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  Russell truly believed he was living in the time of the rapture. It seemed to me that guy was just trying to understand the Bible better which is why he didn't mind meeting with those who had differing viewpoints. Pretty much it was a bunch of people from various protestant groups throwing ideas and dates around.

  I don't think he was actally trying to lead anything. Also, he could be questioned about a particular belief.

  WTBTS is embarrassed by his means of calculations and that whole pyramid fixation. Although, Egyptology was all the rage back then. Even the Mormons claimed being chosen from some ancient Egyptian writings given to them by an apparently non English literate angel.

  Now Rutherford, he was the arrogant one that claimed the group was "chosen", came up with using what's thought to be God's name (even Jesus didn't do that), began to degrade other Christian groups, and to set up the monster which cannot be questioned.