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I Hate the Sound of the Word Jehovah

by cofty in

listening to clips of the latest manipulative video from the watchtower i realised how much i detest that word - jehovah.. sometimes i have thought it would be interesting to observe a meeting or part of a convention.

every time i heard that word i would be unable to stay in my seat.. i have a visceral reaction every time i hear it.

it stands for so much that i have contempt for.

Lieu

I feel your pain. It doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is using what one believes to be God's name in a highly selfish & nefarious manner making it a name to be despised. Now that pisses me off.

Probably why neither Jesus, nor one single apostle ever used "the name". It is not used one single time in the NT. Besides, there's only one name given for Christians to make known ... and it isn't Jehovah.

From a Biblical standpoint, It's like spitting in God's face when you ignore his will; which is to make Christ's name and activities known. JWs aren't ancient Israelites under Mosaic Law. They're supposed to be Christians.

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Farewell

by EdenOne in

"don't be dismayed by good-byes.

a farewell is necessary before you can meet again.

and meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.

Lieu

I think you should stay. Remember being a JW meant you were never allowed to disagree. In fact, there was an intense fear of disagreement. It's a dysfunctional way of life, not to leave out the serious lack of social skills possessed.

Some do not know how to disagree. They do not know how to functionally argue a point. Their lack of common skills lends to them becoming hostile, bullish, and just plain mean.

It's the JW way to either be right or become angry at disagreement. It's a bad habit some have yet to kick.

You have already awoken to that behavior ... and no, neither you nor I have to put up with shit anymore. Skip the replies that have no value other than to inflame. Remain a member but take a break from the forum.

If the GB wasn't able to suck the humanity out of you and kill your spirit ....

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Theocratic Warfare

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we noticed the royal commission ask vin toole (and i think terry o'brien) about the expression "theocratic warfare"?.

they were asked to explain it and what is meant to witnesses.. vin outrightly lied when he said he "had never heard of that expression!".

i remember him using that term in conversations and talks many times!!

Lieu

Lying is lying. It is not "theocratic" anything ... just lying. No such thing as theocratic warfare exists among Christians. Satan is the father of the lie.

Christians worship God with spirit and TRUTH.

Only those ashamed of the TRUTH lie when called in front of Caesar. No witness for the "Truth", just a bunch of lies. Fear of men. Evil slaves ... cowards!

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

Lieu

Yes, it's a corporation with shareholders, voting members and such. Not all are JWS either. There's a shareholder meeting every year to vote for whatever. IIRC, Rutherford's extended family owns the majority of shares. Also, yes, you can sell your shares.

It's a business that has certain religious exemptions.

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Why JW marriage is a huge problem for the organization.

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

the difficulty of finding a marriage mate is well known for sisters.

but i would say it's hard for brothers also.

i was talking to a jw last night.

Lieu

Too much pretense. Both males and females pretending to be someone they are not to please people they don't even like.

As a JW you can't truly know a perspective mate with other people always around. The other person will be in constant 'guarded' mode so as to appear spiritual to the third party.

Also, too, the indoctrination is so overwhelming, there should be a warning that the GB controls the vertical and the horizontal. Your prospect has no mind of their own.(Something that God didn't even require of that douche bag Satan)

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Which bible character do you hate the most?

by Bonsai in

the more i think about it, the more i feel an extreme dislike for the apostle paul.

he was on par with hitler in his treatment of the jews before he "saw the light".

he replaced jesus teachings of love and mercy with a more legalistic, pharisaical concept of devotion to god.. any evil person can come to believe in god and worship him if the scales were literally and miraculously removed from his eyes.

Lieu

David, I give a pass. Guy was a sheep herder who was made king. It not like he was raised to be one. Plus, every time Solomon is mentioned, where David is concerned, it is always "by the wife of Uriah". Uriah is never forgotten. Knife twist to David.

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Which bible character do you hate the most?

by Bonsai in

the more i think about it, the more i feel an extreme dislike for the apostle paul.

he was on par with hitler in his treatment of the jews before he "saw the light".

he replaced jesus teachings of love and mercy with a more legalistic, pharisaical concept of devotion to god.. any evil person can come to believe in god and worship him if the scales were literally and miraculously removed from his eyes.

Lieu

Hate, no.

Dislike: Jonah. He reminds me of the GB. Their heads would explode if people appealed wholeheartedly directly to Christ and God didn't destroy them.

Next, on my dislike chart is Noah. Gets all drunk, romps about naked, and has the gall to curse his grandson.

Lastly, Paul. Whining about being in chains. Er yeah, you're a murderer. No different than guys in prison today for murder who "find Jesus" and then preach to others. Stop whining.

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We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

real friendships aren't conditional.".

i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

Lieu

I'll chime in with: As a JW, you are not friends with the actual person, you are friends with the outward appearance the person emits. Half the time, you don't know who the person truly is. Too many have to put on a false persona to be "acceptable" among the group.

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"Only Baptized Ones have Unrestricted Privilege of Prayer"

by BluesBrother in

i was sitting at the recent circuit assembly that i attended, (the things i do for sis blues) and the baptism talk was under way .

i admit that my mind was more on my imminent packed lunch and flask of coffee but i distinctly heard the speaker make the statement that heads this thread and cite a wt reference.. you what !

i was shocked....... how can they possibly make such an arrogant statement ?

Lieu

Undeserved kindness and Grace are the same thing. JWs simply don't understand it because they don't understand the concept of freedom from sin or forgiveness.

It means, you can never Earn it, you can never do anything to Deserve it, and it matters not how much you do. It is freely given because God WANTS to and loves you. Truly accepting Christ means your sins are being overlooked (as long as you don't sin against the Spirit or just keep doing the same rotten thing over & over).

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The massive gaping hole in Watchtower's understanding of Matthew 25:31-40

by Island Man in

(matthew 25:31-40) .

.when the son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.

32 all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Lieu

They could be believers IMO. How many times did the original 12 have to ask simple questions? In the King James Study Bible this Hebrews verse references back to Matthew verses.

Hebrews 13:2 KJVS

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Believers don't always know who they are being kind towards. Abraham, Lot, etc