Posts by Joepublisher1

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So the people with the REAL truth are apostates!

by ILoveTTATT in

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i have been on this site for around two months.

in those two months, i have learnt a ridiculous amount of jw history and i now have insight on how humongous of a scam the jw's are.

at first, maybe even a year ago, i would have thought, yeah... the apostates have half-truths and they utilize some truths and then lie about the rest.. well, for the benefit of all the lurkers in here: trust the apostates!

Joepublisher1

This is a great thread and it's a great post IloveTTAT. There as so many good replies (comments) here, too. You know, when I first started to investigate TTAT, I just wanted to know "the Truth". I wasn't interested in anyone's opinion. I wanted to formulate my own opinion and draw any conclusions based on "the facts". Of course, this lead to a lot of reading. I liked sites like JWFACTS, because it "proved" what the WTS said in the past - most of their errors are in print and others are found on "taped talks".

I was soon concluding that JWs are no different than any other religion that says it has the truth. Of course, that's not exactly true. And, here's what I mean. JWs are adament that THEY alone have "the Truth" and they shun anyone who leaves their religion. This lead me to conclude that they are a cult. But, that's not where it ends. I've concluded that this religion (The Jehovah's Witnesses, the WTS, and whatever other name is used to identify them) are a sham! That's right, they are a hoax - a so-called religion that "claims" to be the only truth, the only organization backed by God, etc. The facts (including their blemished history and record of changed doctrines) prove they are a fraud. And, I mainly aim that comment at the leaders of the WTS/Jehovah's Witnesses. The leaders are total frauds and they know it!

This is my conclusion based on years of reading "the facts" - so much of these facts are documented on the internet and easily proven by going to the source WTS literature. It's too bad that so many of us were fooled and taken advantage of. Most of us exJWs are really GOOD people and do good in their life! Thanks again to everyone for your fine input.

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Thank you Jehovah for the GBs unapologetic manner in providing these adjustments.

by Joepublisher1 in

i was shocked when i heard a circuit overseer include a strange comment in his concluding prayer at the end of this sundays meeting concerning the adjustments discussed in the watchtower.

he said, in part (and im paraphrasing) thank you jehovah for the governing bodys unapologetic manner in providing these adjustments.

i thought to myself, what a strange expression to make in prayer to god!

Joepublisher1

Slimboyfat, you said in quick summary: "A weird choice of words indeed. Only decades of Watchtower indoctrination can adequately explain such spontaneous outbursts of tortured logic and brazen arrogance."

I love it when some people can sum things up in a sentence. btw: I too feel this was an expression of "brazen arrogance" - and, yes the logic that we adopt as an indoctrinated JW really gets twisted the longer we are in! And, that's why it takes awhile to untangle the mess!

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Thank you Jehovah for the GBs unapologetic manner in providing these adjustments.

by Joepublisher1 in

i was shocked when i heard a circuit overseer include a strange comment in his concluding prayer at the end of this sundays meeting concerning the adjustments discussed in the watchtower.

he said, in part (and im paraphrasing) thank you jehovah for the governing bodys unapologetic manner in providing these adjustments.

i thought to myself, what a strange expression to make in prayer to god!

Joepublisher1

I was shocked when I heard a Circuit Overseer include a strange comment in his concluding prayer at the end of this Sunday’s meeting concerning the “adjustments” discussed in the Watchtower. He said, in part (and I’m paraphrasing) ‘Thank you Jehovah for the Governing Body’s unapologetic manner in providing these adjustments.’

I thought to myself, what a strange expression to make in prayer to God! (Of course, the Governing Body is never apologetic about their multitude of changes in this religion over the decades. They really don’t apologize for their mistakes. As a matter of fact, they don’t even call them “mistakes”, or “misinterpretations”. They made up the doctrine “New Light” as an explanation for their many mistakes so that’s they don’t feel any accountability about them.)

Why don’t they practice what they provided to the rank and file in a 1980’s WTS article that admonished everyone, “Be big enough to admit your mistakes”?

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Adjustments In Understanding--2013/7/15/Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

this file is being passed around by jehovah's witnesses concerning adjustments in understanding the 2013/7/15/watchtower.

the first draft they prepared had a typing error, and nevada sent the draft back to the jws for correction.

they corrected the typing error and sent it back to nevada.

Joepublisher1

I don't know how the Governing Body sleeps at night? Isn't there at least one more Ray Franz in that group with a working conscience who will speak up about what a farce this religion is?

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Adjustments In Understanding--2013/7/15/Watchtower!

by Atlantis in

this file is being passed around by jehovah's witnesses concerning adjustments in understanding the 2013/7/15/watchtower.

the first draft they prepared had a typing error, and nevada sent the draft back to the jws for correction.

they corrected the typing error and sent it back to nevada.

Joepublisher1

The subtitle sections "Adjustments in Understanding" simply means changed "interpretations by men"! Once I realized that this organization's teachings are really from men, and NOT from God's Holy Spirit, I concluded that the WTS (Jehovah's Witnesses) are no different than any other religion that claims to have the truth.

Also, those charts are very revealing on so many levels. First it shows how complicated this religion is. Second, the WTS makes it look like they are the only ones who understand the deep things of the Bible - of course, if that was really true than you wouldn't have a column on the left of those charts entitled "Previous Understanding". The WTS leaders are simply guessing what these scriptures mean.

Lastly, they always chose their words carefully. For instance, instead of the left-hand column being entitled: "Mistaken explanation", it's entitled "Previous Understanding". You see, this organization has a REAL problem admitted it's mistakes. Thus they invented the "Light is getting brighter" doctrine. They are utterly shameless in how they abuse scriptures in the Bible.

Please wake up Jehovah's Witnesses... you are in a sham of a religion.

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

Joepublisher1

fulltimestudent, some of your points are what they call logical fallacies (take the time to look that expression up on the internet).

For instance, you take the word "Christian" and shine a light on so-called Christendom. However, when the name Christian is used as a touchstone, it's obviously meant to be taken as it applies to the "original" Christians - not today's fraudulent Christian organizations.

Second, you minimize the issue of elderly neglect amongst some JWs by saying that you won't have to look far to see the same ills in the churches; so I guess what you are saying is that the JW religion is NO BETTER than any other so-called Christian religion.

You know, I had a JW who was willing to speak with me about the pedophile issue/problem/cover-up in the JW religion. The JW apologists said, "So what, there are pedophiles in every religion." Do you see how much that response sounds like yours?

The WTS claims it's different than other religions - esp. Christendom. It's not - most on this board KNOW that for a fact because we have been close enough to see things with our own eyes.

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

Joepublisher1

LongHairGal, you make some valid points. Some of the elders and even others in the congregation are quite nervy, as you observed. It's amazing how "bold" some people are within this group - they really can have some nerve. For anyone is who is a naturally born bully in this religion, there is a lot of latitude to abuse fellow JWs (usually the meeker ones) to do their bidding. I'm sure you know the type of JW that I'm talking about. Every hall has them - bullies who love to judge and boss people around - this can include elder's wives, too! And, then there's some lazy leaders from the servant body who get a work assignment at the DC (like cleaning the toilets) and don't lift a finger themselves!

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

Joepublisher1

Boy, how true, as soon as they stamp something with "pioneer credit", I know so many that APPLY! But, you are right about that tract for the Youth. That's another reason why I blame the WTS leaders themselves - they don't put enough emphasis on helping the elderly. And, some grand-children won't lift a finger and if asked to help, they do so begrudgingly, if at all! It's so pathetic. How they can call themselves Christian is beyond me.

The whole religion is a sham. So many people stay with it because it "makes them feel special - that they alone are God's people." Well, the real truth belies that claim.

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

Joepublisher1

Wow! I thought that I was the only exJW to suggest this "Narcissistic Supply". Indeed. The WTS is quilty of neglect for not assisting those in need of money! So many of those who can no longer work used to donate for decades to the WTS funds - some are only able to donate a meager amount (if any) because they make so little each month from SS. Why is it that they get NOTHING out of all those years of donating! That's why I call the WTS a hoax, a scam, a sham! Like the expression goes, follow the money! Only the Governing Body benefits the most (monetarily-wise) from world-wide contributions. They don't have to worry about food, shelter, warmth in the winter, a/c in the brutal summer-time, house-keeping, cooking, insurance, medical insurance, prescription coverage, and co-pays, etc. They should be ashamed of themselves, too!

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Has anyone else observed how the elderly JWs are neglected?

by Joepublisher1 in

i know there are exceptions to this (by good-hearted jws), but has anyone else noticed how some jws (even those who are pios, elders, etc.

) neglect the needs of their elderly parents?

(what i have seen is some jws hiding behind the fact that they are very busy in spiritual matters, too busy, to help their elderly parents with chores around their house, yet they find plenty of time for their own selfish pursuits.

Joepublisher1

Continuing those cited scriptures: "But those who won't care for their own relatives... are worse than unbelievers." So, it's clear. Congregational and organizational responsibilities do NOT trump the Bible's clear directive.