Village Idiot: Im convinced there are a vast number of JWs that would do the Jim Jones Boogie without blinking an eye if the GB commanded it so.
SecretSlaveClass
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Do JW's believe in hell?
by Israel Ricky Gonzales ini had a pretty good meet up today with some good buddies and one of them brought up a great point from the greatest man book.
doesn't it look like jw's believe in hell to you from the picure of the rich man and lazarus?.
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When the WTS saw Catholic Church abuse being exposed
by Simon inthere was a time when the abuse issues in the catholic church were first starting to be exposed.. now, they were fully aware that they had the exact same issues that they too were covering up.. what did they choose to do?.
they could have "learnt" and said "man, that looks bad and we know we have the same problem - but at least we can learn something and put processes in place to make sure we clean up our act".. they could have done nothing themselves but refrained from criticized the catholic church knowing that they had the same skeletons in their own closet.. what did they actually do?.
they wen't full guns criticizing the catholics for something they knew they were completely guilty of as well, painting themselves as 'the good guys where this sort of thing would never happen' but the only processes they put in place were to tighten up how cover-ups were managed and to make sure the local elders knew how to silence any incidents.
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Simon I was saying this very thing to my wife just yesterday. They had years of RCC sex scandal they could well have learned from. Just like the RCC, it's always been more important to protect the title of "God's Earthly Representatives " than the welfare of their flock.
I have a notion that the fundamental difference which held the GB to their guns was the fear factor it holds over it's congregations is far more destructive than merely the Catholic threat of "hell fire".
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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1Anon ... Were I privvy to your intel I would most certainly push the issue with the press, since they in their turn could put pressure on the RC to subpoena Jackson by focusing their spotlights on him....
just my 2 cents ...
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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Lisa thank you for your imput, I sincerely appreciate it.You are absolutely right and my wording was awful. I could have simply asked "why" instead of my diatribe!
Cofty thank you for the list. Amazon will be recieving some orders from me this very morning. I am always looking for answers and if these books offer them I shall be eternally grateful!
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Don't believe what you read in the newspapers
by 1Averagejoe infoolish is the man who neverreads a newspaper; even morefoolish is the man who believeswhat he reads just becauseit is in the newspaper .august von schlozer,german historianand publicist (1735-1809).
i came across this articke in the october 15th wt.
page 30.
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My apologies 1averahejoe for not readimg your entire post! Im a moron (embarrassed)! -
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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Cofty: like I said in my post - discussion and not judgement or better than thou - so yes please! And to prove Ive read them as per advice Ill answer any questions on the recommended literature. -
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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Cofty: since your condescending attitude clearly demonstrates your superiority, please enlighten me. And Ill just ignore everything Ive ever studied. -
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!
by MagicMItchJensen inrichard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!
" tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!
" and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".
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SecretSlaveClass
Village Idiot:
I am not an athiest bu I certainly do not believe in the bible or any man concocted god, this is simply because I do not believe in magical beings or miracles. Based on the fact that geological erosion can be accurately measured by anyone with a micrometer who lets a garden hose run over a sand stone rock for 10 years, I don't need an evolutionist to tell me the Earth has been around far longer than 6000 years and I highly doubt every animal species has it's own diety defending it. Rather I would say science satisfies 99% of my questions but that missing 1% is enough to convince me that science has not quite yet found the answer that explains my nagging questions.
What are those questions? Well, here's one:
According to evolution birds are the defendants of reptiles. Driven by the need to escape predators on the ground the adapted to the air by developing wings. How does a lizard decide it's time to grow wings? Did one fall off a cliff one day and magically sprout wings? Science would clearly say no. So how many lizards tried to fly off cliffs before their subsequent generations began to show signs of wings? Surely every lizard that tried to fly failed or died trying? How did they pass on the adaptive gene process? And the ones that didnt die, how many times in their life span did they jump off "flyable" heights that genetic memory was passed on to the following generations who followed suit with the same dead end results?
believing this is the case is as bad as believing Moses parted the sea or any of the other biblical fairy tales. Any Paleontologist will admit that there are massive gaps in the fossil record which scientists have filled in with theory. What is theory? Speculation based on scientific hypothesis. It is not a fact!
I do nelieve animals adapt to circumstances and their environment like humans used to before they developed the intellectual capacity to change their environment. And I do believe in genetic memory. But until their is solid proof and a complete fossil record that can convince me otherwise, I simply cannot believe that there is a common origin of species. It always amazes me when devout evolutionists use the word "design" in their teachimg. Nature cannot design, design requires some intellectual capacity plain and simple. Decide - is it design or evolution, it cant be both!
The way an evolutionist would explain away things is no different than the way a religious person would, both place equal weight in a belief, just as I do when I look at life and am convinced that it was designed by some extraordinary capacity with an intelllect beyond our wildest imaginings. Whatever this entity is, it or they chose to furnish me with a biological mechanism which provides a sentient conscience and I believe it was for a reason. Clearly this creator meant for me to feel, communicate and have the ability to make a difference above above all other creatures on this planet.
It's because of this I belive this creator is omnipresent and attentive, why else would I be designed this way? And because I believe this creator is omnipresent I believe "it" is interested in our lives and our development as intellectual beings and for that I love this being. And for the abilty I have to trully appreciate all the beautiful and incredible things I see and experience in my life. And the fact that I will deteriorate like all matter and pass away to become matter is fine with me because I feel incredibly priveleged to have had the experience of life on this magnificent planet. Its why I'm comfortable with the finality of death and have no delusions of an after life.
But! To me this creator is interested in us and if it is ingenious enough to have designed this life, surely it must hold some degree of influence in its experiment and therefore in my gratitude I pray to it and refer to it as God for lack of a better term. And yes, I pray to it - not in the conventional way - and my prayers are almost always answered. How they are I do not believe is through any "Holy Spirit", but rather through introspect.
My point is: discounting peoples beliefs is to wag a finger at the holes anyone could fimd in your own beliefs. Rather than trying to point out the fragments by ridiculing others, why not simply discuss and offer your views with the intellect you have been afforded and thereby construct a common conduit of ideas and increase the pool of idea and afford each other the chance of higher intellectual capacity? After all, wouldnt that constitute a higher evolution of understanding?
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The Assyrian started to attack from Australia
by opusdei1972 inthe gb has been preparing the flock for the assyrian's attack, that now is starting from australia:.
elders, you can learn some helpful lessons from what we have just discussed: (1) the best thing you can do to prepare for the future attack of the assyrian is to strengthen your faith in god and help your brothers to do the same.
(2) when the assyrian attacks, you must be completely convinced that jehovah will save us.
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(3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.
Jim Jones: "Yes its a strange instruction to drink this poison, but I did tell you you would ask you to obey strange instructions..."