Posts by SecretSlaveClass

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

Sorry I'm the moron that accidently hit the dislike trying to hit like while on the treadmill. 😕.

Naturally I agree with FMF, he's absolutely correct. Violence in low income areas where education, social amenities and lack of sincere leadership and role models is a serious issue which in my opinion transcends the topic of firearms. It's a problem which politicians and the public at large simply refuse to adress and deal with honestly. Until a concerted effort is made to solve these problems, violence in these areas will persist. Firearm control will help to a degree but will never solve the problem simply because these high crime areas have ready access to illegal firearms from within and without the US.

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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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SecretSlaveClass

Paul will you be doing more off the ARC? Some of the other contradictions?

I hope so. If anyone could get the ARC's attention, Paul could - he's bloody good at this!

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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

by jwfacts in

i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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SecretSlaveClass

Well researched, written and presented!

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Are logos evil?

by goddidit in

i have a vague memory of jws having some objection to logos of some kind in the past, which might be a contradiction to the recent addition of the jw.org logo.. please can someone enlighten me on what their stance used to be regarding logos?.

SecretSlaveClass

I think I can clear your question for you. All JW logos are blessed by the GB therefore Godly. All others are either evil or are probably evil. Just a general, tidy statement with a fraction of my tongue in my cheek.

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

cappytan10 hours agoMany good ideas have been put forth in this thread. Some I agree with. Some I think are overboard.
The fact of the matter remains that in the current political climate, you would be hard pressed to pass some sweeping form of federal legislation.
On the federal level, if any steps are to be taken to solve this issue of crazy people getting guns, there needs to be baby steps. Any legislation that puts out a ton of regulations in one fell swoop is doomed to fail.
Honestly, the low hanging fruit on the subject of this thread is requiring gun owners to secure their arms and penalizing them severely if they do not. I think even most gun nuts would agree on that. And I bet that if you don't include any other regulations in that legislation that the NRA would get behind it. Traditionally, they're pro gun-safety. Currently, they're run by a bunch of nut jobs and it's only getting worse.
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time.

I don't know how I missed your post Cappy but I agree 100%. If the country wants to fix all the holes, getting better laws in place is best done slowly rather than sweeping reform. I would say the first order of business would be to adress the influence of the NRA.

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

Simon & Jhine:

I think like me, you fine fellows missed his point and I'm probably responsible for it, since I started that line of accidental retort. Frankly, I feel bad about it. Sometimes I wish my dad or grandfather were still around to slap me upside the head whenever I jump to conclusions or speak out of line.

He was not claiming that the US won the war for the world because of their gun culture. He was suggesting that perhaps US citizens were eager to fight tyranny BECAUSE of their gun culture and he wasn't specifically referring to WW2, I think. I assume he means the gun culture also influenced US anti-communist sentiment and therefore the initial willingness of so many Americans to fight in Korea, Vietnam and the first Gulf War?

But I am sure he was not claiming that American gun culture saved the world.

I don't necessarily agree even with this, I would be interested to read up on the subject as there may be an element of truth to it. But I wanted to set the record straight on my part.

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Saved

by Stephanie Twist in

how can a person be saved?

do jw believe that we are saved through the blood of jesus?

bible verses?

SecretSlaveClass

Throw him a life ring or life jacket. CPR perhaps?

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

Marvin:

Sorry, I misread your post to mean that it was because of the US gun culture in part that lead to THE US overthrowing tyrannical governments instead of reading as I should have: gun culture in part may have influenced US citizenry to HELP overthrow tyrants.

Perhaps you are correct, I would have to research that. It,is an interesting concept. Either way I was out of place commenting on that. Again, my apologies Marvin.

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

Marvin:

The US is by no means unique as a country which has armed its citizenry in order to overthrow an oppressor. It happens often in third world countries to this day. And to suggest that it was because of a US gun culture that tyrants were overthrown is quite a claim. I assume part of your claim refers to Adolf Hitler. If this is the case, the influence of gun culture could hardly be accepted as a cause for Hitler's defeat except in perhaps the most minutely debatable way - the noteworthy reasons for his defeat wouldn't even entertain your suggestion.

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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

by nicolaou in

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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

SecretSlaveClass

Vidiot:
There's something fundamentally bizarre about a population arming itself to the teeth because it's afraid that its government wants to take away its right to arm itself to the teeth...

Exactly. And this is where your fundamental constitutionalists (the Timothy McVeighs) find part of their support and justification for contemplating terrorism.

There is another side to that irony you mentioned too, Vidiot. Some citizens (particularly the cons. fundis) demand the right to own military grade weapons in order to keep the government in check and criminals love them for obvious reasons. This then forces law enforcement to increase their firepower to compete with the population.

In the early years of law enforcement up until the early 20's, revolvers were the standard issue. In urban areas the .32 and .38 calibre revolvers were standard while in the rural areas the .45 calibre revolver we the prefered arms. Rifles were Springfield bolt actions or various lever actions. Side-by-side shotguns were replaced by 5 shot pump-action shotguns.

After World War One there was a huge surplus of .45 M1A1 Colt and Springfield (made under liscence for Colt) which the lenient government allowed cicillians access to. Unfortunately these found their way into the hands of criminals and law enforcement soon found themselves outgunned. This set a disturbing trend. Soon surplus Thompson sub-machine guns and Browning Auto 5 shotguns followed suit. This led the to the reign of terror by the notorious gangsters and bank robbers of the 20's and early 30's. Once again law enforcement was forced to up their firepower. Today civillians here complain about "military style" gear the police are equipped with but it is a direct result of the armament abailable to the general population.