i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
What Anders said: Could be dangerous...all it takes for them is to end the conversation with: "Do you still believe the GB is Gods spirit directed FDS forcefeeding truth to Jehovah's holy people?" and their sheperding call changes into an apostate search and destroy party.
if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.
the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.
have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.
Finkelstein:
Great quote. I really need to read more of Dawkins' literature.
http://www.stratford-herald.com/45973-jehovahs-witness-jail...
A Jehovah’s Witness who got sexual kicks from strangling young girls went unpunished for years – after his activities were covered up by the congregation at the Warwick church he attended.
But perverted Ian Pheasey’s sordid past finally caught up with him when one of his victims bravely went to the police after becoming concerned over him getting a job at a hospice.
He was jailed for five years after pleading guilty at Warwick Crown Court to assaulting one girl causing her actual bodily harm and two of indecently assaulting other girls.
Pheasey (54) of Langcliffe Avenue, Warwick, was also ordered to register as a sex offender for life and given a sexual harm prevention order restricting his contact with children.
Prosecutor Nicholas Taplow said: “He was a man who had a particular sexual fascination with the act of strangulation, which features in two of the three counts.
“He derived sexual gratification from strangling children, and many children were strangled in this way by him during what he described as ‘horseplay.’”
The offences Pheasey admitted date back to the 1990s when he was a member of the congregation at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the Woodloes area of Warwick.
And his first victim was even attacked in the Kingdom Hall library, where Pheasey was the librarian at the time, when the seven-year-old girl went there to get a book.
Pheasey closed the door behind her, and as she reached for the book he grabbed her round the neck, strangling her so she could not breathe, until she managed to wriggle free and run out.
Judge Richard Griffith-Jones observed: “This, according to the defendant, is done for sexual gratification, even though it’s charged as assault.”
The girl was too frightened of Pheasey to tell anyone – and his actions may have gone undiscovered if it was not for his second victim’s subsequent complaint.
That girl was 14 at the time, and when Pheasey saw her while he was doing some work for an elderly woman who lived near her home, he called her over, and she went, said Mr Tatlow.
“He grabbed her round the neck and dragged her into the house and threw her to the kitchen floor where he straddled her and squeezed her neck as she struggled to breath.”
The girl fell into unconsciousness, came round but then passed out again before coming round for a second time and crying out: “Jehovah help me!”
Her trousers had been partly pulled down and she was in pain and bleeding – but Pheasey entered his plea on the basis that he had not penetrated her during the incident.
He let go of her, but as she got up he calmly told her that if she told anyone, he would kill her, chillingly adding that if she grew up and had girls children he would rape them.
She ran home screaming and crying and told her mother what had happened – only to be told to clean herself up before she was taken to hospital for the bruising to her neck to be treated.
“Sadly her parents chose to conceal the sexual nature of the incident and told her not to say anything about it. They continued to understate the seriousness of the assault, and the matter was swept under the carpet by the church.”
Over the years that victim was badly affected by what had happened, suffering flashbacks and night terrors over it, and her religious faith was undermined.
She feels anger towards her parents and towards the congregation for not dealing with it properly, but felt unable to speak out – until she became concerned on learning in 2014 that Pheasey had got a job at a hospice.
Pheasey’s third victim was just six when he was carrying out some work at her parents’ home; and as she sat in his van, he got in and began to tickle her before moving his hand up under her skirt – but stopped when she kicked out and screamed.
Following his arrest Pheasey said he could not remember the incident in the library, but accepted he had put his hands round that girl’s neck on more than one occasion.
He admitted he had fantasised about strangling the 14-year-old, and had lured her over with the intention of strangling her and becoming sexually aroused.
Nick Devine, defending, said: “The inevitable lengthy sentence of imprisonment will have devastating consequences for him, going to prison at his age for an offence of this nature.
“It may be that, while the congregation of the Jehovah’s Witnesses can be criticised for how they dealt with it, it has at least acted on him in part to prevent a return to acting out the fantasies he had.”
Jailing Pheasey, Judge Griffith-Jones told him: “You obtain sexual gratification from the idea of strangling children. That is a hideous and discomfiting fantasy, and one which has given me some concern when I come to sentence you.
“One of the most serious features is that strangulation creates a risk of causing very serious injury and death.
“So it’s not simply a matter of it being frightening and disgusting that small children have been made to suffer in this way, it’s the risk they would suffer something even more catastrophic.”
Of the 14-year-old victim, he said: “She must have been absolutely petrified. I’m satisfied you started to undo her clothing, but I sentence you on the basis that you did not defile her body.
“She was entitled to support and comfort which could only properly be exercised by this matter being reported to the police.
“Sadly, when she told her parents their priorities were entirely misplaced. As a result of their failures and of those around her, she has had to bear this terrible memory.”
After jailing Pheasey, Judge Griffith-Jones praised the courage of that victim in coming forward ‘not to help herself, but because she was anxious that others should be protected.’
http://www.stratford-herald.com/45973-jehovahs-witness-jail...
Wow she may just have prevented someone from turning into a full-blown serial killer. Scary stuff.
And as usual, the bOrg's public image took precedence over hers and the wellbeing of others. Simply disgusting.
just joining this site i'm not going to give you my personal history because you already know it, you lived it.
anyway been df'd for about 18 years just curious are there any people out there from the richmond va area.
the emotions from this are surreal:.
(kudos for the kid to record it).
https://soundcloud.com/throwawayjw1914_2/abuse.
Oubliette:
I know not everyone with a southern accent is an ignorant fool, but that mother definitely perpetuates that particular stereotype.
I had the same thought.
if you were a jw and are now an atheist or agnostic, what was the tipping point that made you turn to it?.
the reason i ask is i have noticed that many who leave the jw's seem to turn to atheism, versus still having some form of a faith.
have many of you given up on god first or have you had atheistic views first and then found atheism to be true.
The first question I ever had was at around twelve years old, "Who created God?"
Of course my zombie mother would simply explain that Jehovah was always there but we have difficulty with the concept of infinity, that's why it's hard for me to understand that he was always there. Even in my young brain it simply made no sense to me. Add to that global suffering, lack of evidence, no godly "miracles" to witness, People of the same religions killing each other, how life itself comtradicted everything taught in theology and the blatant lies, I decided at around thirteen that there was no loving god watching ove our planet and its inhabitants.
For a long time I still held on to the possibility of some sort of creator because I had not read much about evolution. What I had read and had been taught was either anti-evolution or as in the case of my teachers/lecturers, were skewed/biased views of Christians. Due to this misinformation I had no real understanding of of evolution. It was actually books recommended to me by Cofty which filled in the missing peices of the puzzle which caused me to accept evolution as solid science.
Since reading those books I'm now addicted to reading everything I can get my hands on about evolution and the many fields of science which support it and honestly, I've never read anything before which gave me such a sense of relief and fulfillment.
now this is a church an athiest would be really happy with.
hilarious!.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/flying_spaghetti_monster.
portrait of a girl and her dog.
(a true story by terry edwin walstrom).
her name was cheryl ann draper and she was about 11 years old the day she begged her daddy, who worked at a gas station, to let her go with him to work.
now this is a church an athiest would be really happy with.
hilarious!.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/flying_spaghetti_monster.
Stan:
i think Cantleave is an elder in the Pastafarian church.
Wish he'd give some input.
