i don't know about the rest of you but i was one of the stupid ones lugging bricks around and cleaning them up for the jw's shortly before i left.. how many others here have done the same???.
how many of us have at one time been construction workers for the borg???.
esther...you set my brain working on this one with your thread .
Oh yes, they got my free labor! I helped with the building of two. NOT quick builds either, long before those. I helped remodel one a few years ago. Lots of work, but I had a lot of fun too. The people I worked with made it so. I stayed away from the self-made bosses and "supervisors".
Lindy
a bit of light relief.... .
how did you find this site?
recommendation from someone?
Same as Amazing. I had been on H2O almost from it's start. Did not like the new board, and it seemed boring. The regulars were leaving. Farkel, who was also a very long time participant of H2O, came along and told us about this one and I have been here ever since. I check back on H2O every once in a while, but it isn't the same as before.
Lindy
last year on h20 much was discussed about whether jesus was a historical person.
it was brought out that no mention of jesus is ever made outside the works of christians (presuming that all christian historians are biased) except for the the writings of roman historian, flavius josephus.
and, even the brief mentioin of jesus in josephus works are challenged by some as being spurious addtions to some manuscripts.
On PBS a while short while ago there was a show on "The Missing Years Of Jesus." They questioned what happened to Jesus from the age of 12 until his baptism. It was interesting. There was a trail of documentation that suggested, some pretty strong, that Jesus left and went to India to study with the Monks, priests, and learned ones for those years. I am not sure if this would help your search but thought I should mention it. It was quite an extensive program.
Lindy
Larc,
I met Beverly Butdorf right before she moved away. She impressed me as being nice and I was sad that she left. Not to many there that I took a shine to the few meetings that I went. But Wadsworth was no where near the "twilight zone" that Ashland congregation was!
Lindy
please, i am asking that only those who responded to my first poll about the numebr of molesters they know, to respond to this poll.
this way i can make sense between the two polls.. please also, as you did before, avoid comments until i post the results.
here are tow qeustions and how i answer them to kick this poll off to a start:.
Molester #1, 2 victims
Molester #2, 1 victim
Molester #3, 3 victims
Molester #4, 2 victims
Molester #5, 3 victims
Molester #6, 1 victim
Molester #7, 1 victim
Molester #8, 2 victims
Molester #9, 3 victims
Not all of these molesters were men either.
Number of congregations a part of: 6
Born in Cleveland Ohio, raised in Bruswick Congregation territory, Now in Wadsworth Territory. Also lived in the territory of Wellington Congregation, Medina congregation and Ashland, congregation.
Hello fellow Ohioans.
Lindy
my favorite song of all time is imagine by john lennon.. what if everyone came to believe that there was no god and no afterlife?
would people learn to live peacefully together or would they rip each other apart even faster?.
god has clearly be used throughout history to justify this that or the other political ideology or cultural colonization effort.
JB,
No God, or no religion? To me the two are not the same thing. But they do equally share in the failures of mankind here on this earth. I think the world could prosper without religion because in the research I have done so far, religion is man's problem. In my research I have found no God interested enough to take part in human interests beyond creation. Religion mixes with politics and makes a bigger mess, but then some politics are based on religion, and so it goes. Both have made the huge divisions in people race wise, economicly, and country wise, and in many other ways. Power, control and greed rule them both. Since they do provide structure for all of the world, and it is all we have at the present, if they were wiped out without a better structure to take their place I think that the results would be extremely negative for all of us. But you can continue to imagine, and hopefully, along with that, do your own part in making changes that may influence the next generation to do better than we did, because imagining will get you no where.
Lindy
i added a post below to janh, number 15, to address some realistic numbers.
some have had difficulty in accepting the number of victims per pedophile i have used, i.e.
i based this on what an attorney who prosecutes such cases against molesters told me.
Dreammaster,
I am having a hard time figuring out why you would say to Pork Chop what you said from what he wrote. I quess how you read something can be interpreted from where you are coming from yourself in your own experiences. I did not take Pork Chop's comment to mean that he was defending the molesters, but that he thought that simply that the number was to high. I was thinking the same thought that Pork Chop was, that just because someone says something, doesn't make it so, not even when someone in an "authoritive" position says it is so. That is critical thinking. With critical thinking comes another thought. Show me the study that produced these figures. It is easy for anyone to say anything, something like this needs backing up. Show me where this was "reasonably tested and supportive. How many where in the study? Where was the study done? Was it done in the inner city or in the rural areas. What part of the country was it done in? Which country was it done in? Was it a controled study? How were the victims identified? How were the accusers identified? The list goes on and on, yet we here have seen no proof.
And before you might think that I am defending child molesters, don't. As Waiting and a few others here know, I too, have personal experience in this area. I have been molested and I can't imagine that the several people who came at me had 299 other victims. Each of them couldn't have hide their activities, and surely would have been found out and stopped and procecuted. 300 people, even children, and in some cases, especially children, are a lot to keep silent. The molester would have a full time job just keeping them quiet. The molester would have no time for the "normal" life that most of them present to the "outside" that is necessary to carry on as molesters, or more would be caught.
Averages are funny things anyway. They really don't mean much per individual. To get the average of 300, one molester could only molest one child. Another could molest thousands. But still that figure of 300 per molester sounds to high to me. even 50 sounds way to high to me. Most molesters do have more than one victim, possibly several, but not 300 each. Even the big time cases that hit the news, such as molesters in day care centers and priests in the churches, don't have such high figures, even when you figure that some didn't come forward. My opinion, anyway and in no way in defense of molesters!
As Always,
Lindy
the other evening a young person was reinstated and the jerk-water elder making the announcement went out of his way to remind "the friends" that applauding would not be proper.
what mind control, bunk, dribble, bull................ they are so loving aren't they?
i shoulda applauded anyway.
I remember when this started. Ones were giving parties for the ones reinstated and someone somewhere decided this was inappropriate. It would take away from the impact of the bad deed done if everyone was too happy to see a disf. one back in. People would give presents and shower a lot of attention on these ones too. Duh, like Blonde said, must have forgotten about the prodigal son!! I think the ones who didn't like this were just jealous.
Lindy
happy fourth of july everyone who celebrates it.
so is anyone having fun today?
picnics, fireworks, parades?
Have fun Mulan, it's raining here so this might just be a dud day because it is out back in an orchard and there is no shelter and the daughters who planned this thing didn't think of the possibility of rain and there won't be any canopies unless they go out and rent them the last minute. Good luck doing so on the fouth of July, huh? Maybe I will gather everyone up and bring them over here. We have a big double garage that we can use to shelter the party and the rest of the house and a big front porch. Should work, maybe?
Hopefully the rain will stop by 5 when it is slated to start.
Lindy
