Lisa said: I was raised a JW. By the time I was 15 or 16 I had figured out that 1914 was false. I put my faith in God. I lost a few family members over it.
djeggnog said: You were mistaken about the year 1914 being false. I believe that you were also mistaken as to this idea that you were putting your faith in God. If you lost family members over your disbelief, then imo there is only one to blame for that: You.
When you thought I belived that the world would end while the generation of 1914 was alived...AS THE WATCHTOWER SAID GOD PROMISED, you blamed me for believing the Watchtower. Now you "blame" me for not believing in the Watchtower teaching of 1914.
How on earth do you decide which Watchtower 'truths' to believe, and which ones are just false teachings and false prophosey that will change later?
djeggnog wrote: You don't believe these words you quoted from the Awake! to have been "words of encouragement," but I'm sure that in hindsight, had those [responsible] for signing off on the decision to include those words in the "masthead" of the Awake! [known that these words would lead some to conclude that we were prophets, prophets in the sense of being able to predict the future in contradiction to Jesus' words at Matthew 24:36 to the effect that 'nobody knows that day and hour'], that those words would not be there.
I don't think they mind that 'some conclude' they are prophets:
What the Watchtower says comes from God..
And, the Watchtower predicted the end of the world in one literal generation from 1914 all the time. It was not that some Witnesses were 'mistaken' and didn't understand what the Watchtower was saying. The Watchtower was very clear.
djeggnog wrote: But what harm did those words do to you or to anyone?
Lisa wrote: You didn't answer my question. What harm did these words do either to you or to anyone else?
No, I didn't answer your question. I didn't answer your question because it is not relevant. A crime is a crime no matter if someone was hurt or not. But I will now answer your question, since you press on and on with it as if it matters: countless people were hurt by these words. Families were torn apart over these words. lives destroyed by shunning over these words. believers didn't go to college, sold houses and didn't plan for old age over these words. Thousands and thousands of people were hurt over these LIES from a FALSE PROPHET. But again, that is not relevant. They are a false prophet even if no one was hurt.
djeggnog wrote: It wasn't the intention of Jehovah's Witnesses to suggest to anyone that we knew the "day and hour" when the end of the present system of things would occur, nor have we ever intimated that we knew the "day and hour" when the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ at Armageddon was going to arrive. The words in the masthead were unfortunate since it is apparent that no one knew that those words would be construed as if they were the prediction of a prophet, for, as anyone that has ever studied the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses would know, those words were to encourage the reader to have confidence, that is to say, to put their faith in "the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation of the sign that began in 1914 passes away," or whenever it was that "the generation of the sign that began in 1914" passed away," and should not have been construed to mean anything more than this.
You are wrong. It WAS CLEARLY the intention of Jehovah's Witnesses to suggest to everyone that they preached to that they knew that the end of the present system of things would occur before the generation of 1914 passed away. (I posted scans above that PROVE my point.)
Lisa wrote: Yeah..........I don't know who you are talking to here.
djeggnog wrote: I was here talking to you about your attempt to hurt God because you decided that you didn't want to wait on Him and on his schedule any longer.
I'm sorry. You must have me confused with someone else. I have nothing against God. God and I are good, thanks.
I have something against false prophets.
djeggnog wrote: I never said that disfellowshipped persons aren't shunned in God's organization; of course they are. They are disgusting in their filth, care nothing about God's righteousness and often seek to find an excuse for the sinful things that they're doing.
Lisa wrote: Right. What you said was:
[As to this last question I just asked you, there aremany immature ones among Jehovah's Witnesses that do not read the very literature we place with those not Jehovah's Witnesses, and] neither you nor they can find anywhere in any of our literature that indicates that a disfellowshipped or someone that disassociates themselves from God's organization is cut off from familial association with their own relatives. [I cannot force you or any of these immature ones to read our literature, and I cannot force any of you to comprehend what our literature says on this particular topic.]
..And then I quoted some of the countless places in your literature that indicates that a disfellowshipped or someone that disassociates themselves from "God's organization" is cut off from familial association with their own relatives.
Djeggnog wrote: Yes, you did. As a matter of fact, I didn't disagree with any of the things you said, and so your point is what? I
assume you have one. What exactly am I missing, @lisaBObeesa?
Very interesting how you changed whatI said you said right here with brackets. I've seen that technique before.
What I actually said you said (the yellow lines) was:
@djeggnogneither you nor they can find anywhere in any of our literature that indicates that a disfellowshipped or someone that disassociates themselves from God's organization is cut off from familial association with their own relatives.
And my point, by quoting a ton of your literature, was to show that your statement is false. The Watchtower DOES indicate that a disfellowshipped or disassociated person is cut off from familial association with their own relatives.
