after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
EOM, I thought in your post 3033 you were saying the races were biologically different.
Do you believe the races have biological differences such that one race is better at something (math as an example) than another race is?
It is my possition that, on the whole, the 'races' of people are biologically equal and differ only in appearance. And that 'race' is not even a thing, biologically speaking.
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Endofmysteries, you too are welcome to find some science that says Asians are biologically better at math than other races.
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
sammie, you and simon can keep living in your world were you believe Asians are biologcially determined to be poor drivers and better at math and African Americans are....whatever you think African Americans are biologically determined to be relative to whites and other races.
You going to find me some real science that says the 'Asian race' is better at math due to their inborn characteristics than other races?
good luck!
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Simon, I have lost the last shred of respect that I had for you.
So you genuinely believe that different ethnicities should be 100% equal in everything? That there is no predisposition to excel at certain things and be less suited for others?
I live in a world where qualities like intellengence, driving ablity, and math aptitude are not in any way determinded by the color of a person's skin.
It is called THE REAL WORLD. The one based on science.
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Lisa: you refered to a book that you say refers to studies. I was asking for references to those studies.
I gave you all you need to look them up. pretty easy to find. Very well known.
Becase different groups are always going to have different strengths and weaknesses. Asians are good at math but don't seem to drive very well.
I pretty much just rest my case right there.
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Simon, I would not post about a study that was not peer reviewed.
I did give you the references so you can look it up. I feel like you don't read what I write.
I don't think it's a competition and to expect exact equal results is unrealistic
Why?
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Can you point to those messages and tell us where they are coming from? Are they from outside the community or from inside it? It seems like an assumption that she has to have been given a message and couldn't reach a conclusion on her own. Other kids are scared that they may not be cut out for college and that they may not be as smart of theother kids but just don't frame things into racial groups - is it possible that there is no message other than she see's her world through skin color?
The message that ‘Asians are smart’ is a very common stereotype in our culture. She could not have reached 17 years of age without being exposed to it.
That shows people perform worse when they think they are being evaluated on something they believe they are less well suited for.
If it were only that a person felt they were not suited for golf, then a white person who thought they were not suited for golf would have performed equally poorly when they were told nothing and when they were told it was a ‘test of natural athletic ability’ and a African American golfer who thought he was not suited for golf would have performed equally poorly when told nothing and when they were told it was a test of ‘strategic sports intelligence.’ But that was not the case. The stereotype threat was the differnce between the golfing results. Both groups performed worse under stereotype threat ('confirming' the stereotype).
The book goes on to show the effect happens wheather people believe the stereotype or not. If the stereotype is not suggested, the effect does not happen. They authors show that the pressure of trying hard to NOT prove a stereotype results in proving the stereotype. It is a very strong effect.
Female subjects told a they were taking a ‘math test’ performed poorly. But when the female subjects were told the same test was a ‘test of creative problem solving’ they performed well on the test. This happened regardless of if the female subject thought there were good at math or not. The effects of stereotypes are very interesting and we are all subject to them in one way or another.
All this discussion seems to focus on the belief that "no one has ever had it as bad as african americans". No wonder people have no belief.
Wouldn't it be better to say "you know what? some other people had it bad too at different times and for different reasons - but they transformed their lives and we can too!".
It is not an either-or situation. It is not either the very recent past is having an impact on people’s lives today OR people should take personal responsibility. Both things are true.
Don’t you think African Americans as a group ARE changing their lives? What exactly do you expect? At what generation past slavery do you think African Americans as a group should have ‘transformed their lives’ to be equal to whites as a group in terms wealth, political representation, education, etc?
Try and have a discussion about how to make a metter future for black kids and it always ends up with a debate about the past. Maybe that is part of the problem? You don't have to win the "worst past olympics". At some point it goes beyond having a sense of history and drawing a determination from the past and becomes almost reliving or wallowing in it which I'm sure studies will show is not good.
The message from the civil rights era was being able to overcome adversity and move forward. That seems to have given way to a negative view that is always looking backwards.
Looking backward to see the causes of a situation is necessary in order to suggest effective remedies. For example, if you think the cause of a person’s situation is because they are lazy, you will suggest a different remedy than if you think the cause of a person’s situation is something else.
after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.
let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .
Just last week I was talking to a girl who is a senior in high school and making plans for college. She wanted to talk because she was scared that maybe she wasn't cut out for college and that she wouldn't make it since she's 'not smart like the whites and asians.' (She is Pacific Islander. and she is plenty smart.) This broke my heart. We are surrounded with these messages...
as an aside, has anyone read "Whistling Vivaldi" by Claude Steel? It is about stereotype threat. It shows many studies that confirm the effect is very, very strong.
Told that golf was a test of 'natural athletic ablity' white golfers golfed much worse than when they were told nothing, but this did not happen for African American golfers. Told that golf was a test of "sports strategic intellegence" the African American golfers golfed much worse than when told nothing at all, but this did not happen for the white students. When the stereotype was indirectly suggested, the golfers unconsciously confirmed the stereotype. This happened over and over. It is a really interesting book, short and easy to read, and talks about how to reduce the effects of sterotype threat. I highly recommend it.
the michael brown tragedy has garnered a lot of attention in the media recently highlighted.
by the recent county court decision to not indict the lone officer who did the shooting which caused the death of micheal brown.. .. now after more information of the event has been released openly to the public, we can evaluate upon are self.
in are own opinion toward was the law handed out in this particular event proportionately fair or to a professional standard ?.
*never mind* again
the michael brown tragedy has garnered a lot of attention in the media recently highlighted.
by the recent county court decision to not indict the lone officer who did the shooting which caused the death of micheal brown.. .. now after more information of the event has been released openly to the public, we can evaluate upon are self.
in are own opinion toward was the law handed out in this particular event proportionately fair or to a professional standard ?.
"White privilege" would apply to America before the 60's and to South Africa during Aparteid.
No, that is not what 'white privilege' means. that is not what people are talking about when they use the term.
We can't discuss it because you don't understand the concept.
So if you insist on using it then your motivation will be clear, it will not be accepted and no progress will be made.
But then that is the whole point of using it, isn't it?
you don't even understand the meaning of the term let alone my motivation.
