Posts by Jerryh

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What's the difference between a Christian and a JW?

by nowwhat? in

christians look to jesus as the redeeemer of mankind.. jw's look to jesus as the executioner of mankind!.

Jerryh

John 3:16 relates a general concept, an abstraction as does 1 John 2:2.

John 3:16 must become Galatians 2:20 to become a Christian.

I am impaled along with Christ. It is no longer I that live, but it is Christ that is living in union with me. Indeed, the life that I now live in flesh I live by the faith that is toward the Son of God, who loved me and handed himself over for me.

As much as I dislike the WBTS I have to admit the "anointed" fit the concept but there is no such thing

as an un-anointed Christian. There are no un-forgiven Christians or un-justified, un-regenerated, un-sealed

un-washed etc. Paul's advise to the Romans was "let each [man] be fully convinced in his own mind"

The Imago Dei defies definition but surely contains the ability to choose.

He also advised the Corinthians to "keep testing whether you are in the faith, keep proving what you yourselves are. Or do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in union with you? Unless you are disapproved.

You can definitely say it is a pre req.

Whoever is not carrying his torture stake and coming after me cannot be my disciple. Rule number 1

straight forward out of the mouth of the judge. If you are an active JW please pore over Romans 6: 6-7

to see how the org. misapplies scripture directly related to this and see if you have courage to point it out.

one more reference

For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God Col 3:3

Mr. cofty is correct as usual

Back to the topic - The difference between xtians and JWs is soteriology. JWs believe Jesus died for the sins of Adam; xtians believe Jesus died for their own personal sins. The difference is massive.

soteriology is kinda like the main idea, no?

*** w83 8/15 p. 23 par. 14 United Fruit Bearers ***

While the “other sheep” are not branches of the Abrahamic-covenant “olive tree” or of “the true vine,” Christ Jesus, they must prove themselves to be Christ’s disciples. Like all the anointed Christian “branches,” they must “keep bearing much fruit.” This they do by producing Christlike qualities of the new personality, including “the fruitage of the spirit.” (Galatians 5:22, 23; Matthew 28:19, 20; Colossians 3:5-14) But to be really fruitful they give active expression to such qualities by sharing in the work of preaching “this good news.” (Matthew 24:14) Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,” Christ’s anointed “brothers.” Only thus can they hope to ‘inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.’—Matthew 25:31-40.

see rule number 1

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Concerned Parent

by ConcernedParent in

jw
friends

i'm writing for some advice from former jws.

my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.

(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.

Jerryh

CP's goal is to keep her daughter safe and to prevent her from joining a cult. It is not to attempt to "rescue" her daughter's boyfriend and/or get him to wake-up and leave the cult. If that happens, great.

Hi jp, I was hoping for both. tks for your input

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Concerned Parent

by ConcernedParent in

jw
friends

i'm writing for some advice from former jws.

my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.

(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.

Jerryh

one more thing CP, NEVER quote anything and say it came from this forum as it is "apostate".

all those quotes above you can get first hand at JW.ORG

search here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0

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Concerned Parent

by ConcernedParent in

jw
friends

i'm writing for some advice from former jws.

my family is christian, and my 15yo daughter is "dating" a jw boy.

(the quotes are because they aren't old enough to actually go out on dates... they consider themselves bf/gf and have hung out and gone places with each other, but always with parents, family, etc.

Jerryh

Dear concerned parent, you are have come to a forum populated by ex-witnesses and forum posts by

the nature of the case are short. There are no JWs in my family other then my daughter, now her

young family. Your story is identical to mine of twenty years ago so listen to the warnings you have

received. My JW son-in- law is a wonderful young man and excellent husband and father. I say this

because there are about 8 million JWs and they are just people with the full gamut of personalities and

virtues and lack thereof. The "Governing Body' (yes capital letters) is the issue and they are antichrist

not that boy who is a guest in your house. You are a Christian and so am I (not much of one but that

another story) and I wish I had known then what I know now. Here is why the GB is antichrist in Greek

and English. Anti in English means opposed or against but here is ἀντὶ in the New Testament.

ὀφθαλμὸν ἀντὶ ὀφθαλμοῦ καὶ ὀδόντα ἀντὶ ὀδόντος. (Mat 5:38)

eye for eye and tooth for tooth

ἀντὶ τοῦ λέγειν ὑμᾶς (Jam 4:15)

Instead you ought to say

ἀντὶ in the NT often means substitute and that is what the GB claims for themselves, alternative

mediators between God and humanity. Jesus is their mediator and they are the mediator for the rest

of us. Here are some references from their publications.

*** Watchtower 1979 4/1 page. 31 Questions From Readers ***

” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

*** Watchtower 1991 2/15 page. 18 par. 11 “You Were Bought With a Price” ***

Christ does not act as Mediator of the new covenant toward them, yet they benefit from this covenant through the work of God’s Kingdom.

Worldwide Security Under the “Prince of Peace” (one of their little books)

*** ws chap. 1 pp. 10-11 par. 16 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***

Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.

So at this point concerned parent you probably know more about JW doctrine than the boy friend and I am

absolutely serious. He may object and say "I believe in Jesus too" and be sincere.

Here is how JWs get Jesus whether they know it or not.

*** Watchtower 1983 8/15 page. 23 par. 14 United Fruit Bearers ***

Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,”

Of course I am assuming the boy friend is one of the "other sheep". Ask him

Take it from someone who has been there CP do not let this slide. Find out about the "slave".

Jerryh

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I Ain't Got No Religion No More ... (But I Like to Get Myself Some Gospel Music)

by Simon in

i love gospel music.

i don't feel like i need to believe in "jebus" to appreciate the music.

i can't go into a gospel church because i might just get religion again - that or i'll be grabbing the mic on be on the stage waving my hands and praising the lord.. i particularly like dylan's gospel period.

Jerryh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqYxr0IA9xk

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Helping my husband wake up, need advice.

by Whynot in

my husband is dfed but he is a prime example of someone who was a puppet for the watchtower.

i was able to wake him a little with the sex abuse scandal.

he was an elder and is very familiar with those rules.

Jerryh

He gets very emotional since he still wants to believe that there is a religion out there

who is the one true religion

Dear Whynot, I have not been a JW but have people I love in the Org. so I visit this forum

some. Your husband and I have a couple of things in common. Guilt and wanting to believe

there is a remedy for guilt.

Now, my husband still believes the Bible is infallible. Me too.

In 1 John it says this

if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, I am writing you these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.

In Watchtower world complete forgiveness is what Jesus and his apostles used to preach.

· What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached (‎1 occurrence)

·

o 1, 2. (a) What of very present importance has been added to the good news preached by Jesus and his apostles? (b) After the ouster of Satan the Devil, how did the heavens express this addition to the good news?

Ever since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 something of very present importance has been added to the “good news of God” that Jesus Christ used to preach in the Middle East,

If you go to JW.ORG search on quote “token forgiveness” you will get this. Where in the

infallible Bible is there even one mention of token forgiveness? Is our guilt real?

His and mine. Do we need token forgiveness for real guilt?

· Declared Righteous by Jehovah (‎1 occurrence)

·

o Those of the other sheep today may be said to have a token forgiveness.

o w54 9/1 pp. 521-523 - The Watchtower—1954

· The Way for Man’s Attainment to Perfect Integrity (‎1 occurrence)

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o The other sheep, too, have had a token forgiveness.

o w54 4/15 pp. 248-255 - The Watchtower—1954

Have him read Galatians 1:6-9 and choose between the old gospel and the new additions.

I rarely post here so I apologize for the formatting.

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

Thanks MMM. I knew this but took a chance

The WT has programmed it to specifically use this space.

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What else is there to the so called "Truth"

by jdash in

first of all, i want to say thanks to all of you guys who gave me advice on my first post.

it really helped and i will try to use all of it.

now, i been doing research on what is false about the jdubs.

Jerryh

Maybe they could elaborate on what is a "token" forgiveness?

*** w54 4/15 p. 254 par. 22 The Way for Man’s Attainment to Perfect Integrity ***
The other sheep, too, have had a token forgiveness.

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

Incognito,

Thanks for looking at this, it was a good idea. But

You have any control of the path, you just "add" a bookmark then technology take over.

I wish it would work though as showing them things in context is pretty effective

thanks again

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

I have the 2015 Watchtower Library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.

I have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe. Getting the book marks transferred is

where I need help. The other person could make them one at a time no problem but it will be better

if they can come off the flash drive together with the program. The screen shot below

shows where they reside on this computer but I cannot find this on the "other" computer

to make the transfer. The program probably creates this path but I cannot locate it on the

other machine. I hope this even makes sense. Any help is good.