Posts by Jerryh

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I Ain't Got No Religion No More ... (But I Like to Get Myself Some Gospel Music)

by Simon in

i love gospel music.

i don't feel like i need to believe in "jebus" to appreciate the music.

i can't go into a gospel church because i might just get religion again - that or i'll be grabbing the mic on be on the stage waving my hands and praising the lord.. i particularly like dylan's gospel period.

Jerryh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqYxr0IA9xk

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Helping my husband wake up, need advice.

by Whynot in

my husband is dfed but he is a prime example of someone who was a puppet for the watchtower.

i was able to wake him a little with the sex abuse scandal.

he was an elder and is very familiar with those rules.

Jerryh

He gets very emotional since he still wants to believe that there is a religion out there

who is the one true religion

Dear Whynot, I have not been a JW but have people I love in the Org. so I visit this forum

some. Your husband and I have a couple of things in common. Guilt and wanting to believe

there is a remedy for guilt.

Now, my husband still believes the Bible is infallible. Me too.

In 1 John it says this

if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, I am writing you these things that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.

In Watchtower world complete forgiveness is what Jesus and his apostles used to preach.

· What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached (‎1 occurrence)

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o 1, 2. (a) What of very present importance has been added to the good news preached by Jesus and his apostles? (b) After the ouster of Satan the Devil, how did the heavens express this addition to the good news?

Ever since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 something of very present importance has been added to the “good news of God” that Jesus Christ used to preach in the Middle East,

If you go to JW.ORG search on quote “token forgiveness” you will get this. Where in the

infallible Bible is there even one mention of token forgiveness? Is our guilt real?

His and mine. Do we need token forgiveness for real guilt?

· Declared Righteous by Jehovah (‎1 occurrence)

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o Those of the other sheep today may be said to have a token forgiveness.

o w54 9/1 pp. 521-523 - The Watchtower—1954

· The Way for Man’s Attainment to Perfect Integrity (‎1 occurrence)

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o The other sheep, too, have had a token forgiveness.

o w54 4/15 pp. 248-255 - The Watchtower—1954

Have him read Galatians 1:6-9 and choose between the old gospel and the new additions.

I rarely post here so I apologize for the formatting.

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

Thanks MMM. I knew this but took a chance

The WT has programmed it to specifically use this space.

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What else is there to the so called "Truth"

by jdash in

first of all, i want to say thanks to all of you guys who gave me advice on my first post.

it really helped and i will try to use all of it.

now, i been doing research on what is false about the jdubs.

Jerryh

Maybe they could elaborate on what is a "token" forgiveness?

*** w54 4/15 p. 254 par. 22 The Way for Man’s Attainment to Perfect Integrity ***
The other sheep, too, have had a token forgiveness.

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

Incognito,

Thanks for looking at this, it was a good idea. But

You have any control of the path, you just "add" a bookmark then technology take over.

I wish it would work though as showing them things in context is pretty effective

thanks again

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computer question

by Jerryh in

i have the 2015 watchtower library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.. i have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show .

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe.

getting the book marks transferred is .

Jerryh

I have the 2015 Watchtower Library working fine and have started to enter some book marks.

I have the library program on a flash drive to pass around to some other folks so they can show

witnesses at their door what they are supposed to believe. Getting the book marks transferred is

where I need help. The other person could make them one at a time no problem but it will be better

if they can come off the flash drive together with the program. The screen shot below

shows where they reside on this computer but I cannot find this on the "other" computer

to make the transfer. The program probably creates this path but I cannot locate it on the

other machine. I hope this even makes sense. Any help is good.

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In need of your advice. November broadcasting 2017

by pleaseresearch in

so my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.

i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..

Jerryh

Search the Watchtower CD for "Mantey" and you get 3 footnotes referring to Julius Mantey

a Greek language scholar they recognize. JW.ORG gives no hits.

Search google for "Mantey Watchtower". They misquote him and he sent angry letter.

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144,000 & The Trinity

by Libby in

now that i'm looking beyond what the wt teaches i'm struggling to find information on three topics.

the 144,000, the trinity and prayer.. if anyone has 5 minutes could they explain:.

1. what do other religions think the 144,000 are or is?

Jerryh

Hi Libby, I was never a Witness. I think I know what you mean by "other religions" I became a follower of Jesus

in the Methodist church, married my high school sweetheart and joined the Baptist church with her, so I am pretty qualified to be "other". I think of myself as a follower of Jesus, not much of one, but I am one.

1. What do other religions think the 144,000 are or is? Jews

(John 10:16) other sheep I have not of this fold SO (Matt 10:6) go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel(Matt 15:24) I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. SO

(Rom 1:16) I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first,

(Rom 2:9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first,

(Rom 2:10) glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first

NOW (John 4:21) the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

2. I can find lots of information as to scriptures that show how God and Jesus can be the same. But if Jesus is God, how did he send himself to earth ? And how did he pray to God when on earth ?

The trinity doctrine is not meant to be a definition of God. This statement is the gist of it.

"do not confuse the persons, do not divide the substance" The father and son are not the same person.

The limitation of human thought and vocabulary is, what exactly is a "person"? Probably better is just

use the adjective and say they are personal. As for the English word "substance" it usually refers to physical

substance and God is not physical so commenters often use "essence" or "nature". Jesus had human nature

and divine nature. One person with two natures. Go on youtube and see experiments with light to see that

this is possible. Light has two natures, particle and wave. Father and Son have the same nature.

Jesus forgave sin, controlled the wind, and received worship because it was his nature. We don't care that

Thomas called him God (see Acts 14:11 and Thomas was just a regular guy) what we care is Jesus let

him say those words without rebuke but with a blessing instead (John 20:29).

The Holy Spirit is a person? Again better to stay with the adjective, personal.

the holy spirit said: “Set aside for me Barʹna·bas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

3. If God and Jesus are the same do other religions still ask their prayer in Jesus's name or do they just say Amen ?

Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him.

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have you noticed how the main Jw preaching message has changed?

by nowwhat? in

years ago it was all about armageddon and getting out of babylon the great.

then with the draw close to jehovah and is there a creator that care about you.

it was all about building a relationship with jehovah.

Jerryh

nowwhat, I was never a witness but love some (family). This statement is very interesting.

Could you say more about what you have noticed?

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precise and specific

by Jerryh in

*** insight on the scriptures vol.1 page 1007 ***.

greek.

vocabulary.

Jerryh

*** Insight on the Scriptures Vol.1 page 1007 ***

Greek

Vocabulary. The Greek vocabulary is quite abundant and exact. The Greek writer has at his disposal

sufficient words to enable him to make fine differentiation and to convey just the shade of meaning

that he desires. To illustrate, the Greek makes a distinction between ordinary knowledge,

gno′sis (1Ti 6:20), and intensified knowledge, e‧pi′gno‧sis (1Ti 2:4), and between al′los (Joh 14:16),

meaning “another” of the same kind, and he′te‧ros, meaning “another” of a different kind. (Ga 1:6)

Many expressions in other languages have incorporated Greek words as well as basic roots

that comprise Greek words, resulting in language that is more precise and specific in expression.

He also gave many other exhortations . . . Luke 3:18 NWT

. . . καὶ and ἕτερα different παρακαλῶν exhorting . . . interlinear

Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits . . . Luke 11:26 NWT

. . . καὶ and παραλαμβάνει takes along ἕτερα different πνεύματα spirits . . . interlinear

. . . the other will be abandoned Luke 17:35 NWT

. . . ἡ the δὲ but ἑτέρα different [woman] ἀφεθήσεται. will be let go off. interlinear

And they said many other blasphemous things against him. Luke 22:65 NWT

καὶ And ἕτερα different (things) πολλὰ many βλασφημοῦντες blaspheming . . . interlinear

The meaning of the word is the same in Greek or English i.e. heterosexual. Judging by the last

sentence in the Insight article they know what the word means. Judging by how it is rendered in

the NWT they know what the word means. More to the point they know the word exists. If they

believe God also knows the word exists and they believe that God knows its meaning and they

believe that “God’s Word” is God’s words and if the Greek language is “precise and specific”

and God wanted it to say this: (Colossians 1:16) . . . by means of him all [other] things

were created. . . then it would.

*** w67 12/15 p. 753 par. 1 What Now Distinguishes the Good News to Be Preached ***

EVER since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 something of very present importance has been added to the “good news of God” that Jesus Christ used to preach in the Middle East, preaching to as many cities as possible, just as he said on one occasion: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth.” (Luke 4:43; 8:1; 16:16) After his death and resurrection and his glorification in heaven, his apostles and faithful disciples preached the good news of the coming kingdom of God. (Acts 20:24, 25; 28:30, 31) What vital thing has now been added to the good news of the kingdom of God that Jesus Christ and his zealous apostles used to preach nineteen hundred years ago? This, namely, the birth of God’s Messianic kingdom in the heavens at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ’s undeserved kindness to another sort of good news. Not that there is another good news; but there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, I now say again, Whoever is declaring to you as good news something beyond what you accepted, let him be accursed. (“precise and specific”) (“abundant and exact”)