QC, let's review design, ok? Hurricanes, tornadoes, parasites, predation, diseases, volcanoes, earthquakes, supernovas, death, tsunamis, just to name a few. I don't understand where that all fits in, can you please elaborate?
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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt
by QC inif you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
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jwfacts or jwinterpretations?
by slimboyfat injwfacts is a great website, but in view of the fact that "there are no facts, only interpretations", as nietzsche said, should the website be renamed jwinterpretations instead?
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Waffling gets one nowhere. How about this view, SBF? How about we assume certain things first, then look to see if there is an error, so that something actually gets done?
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If you believe in nothing, then how do you know JW's are wrong?
by slimboyfat inmany who leave the witnesses go on to affirm other recognisable sets of beliefs.
some become christians of various sorts, others tend toward patriotism as a kind of rejection of the anti-patriotic stance of the watchtower, while yet more simply affirm in general the secular values of mainstream society.
do you believe jehovah's witnesses are wrong?
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Does your Theology Align with Reality?
by cofty inthesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.
however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.
sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.
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I think now would be a perfect time to clarify why, even with our limitations, science offers the best look at reality that we have.
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Does your Theology Align with Reality?
by cofty inthesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.
however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.
sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.
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and foreclose possible useful alternative conceptions of the world in the everyday.
There's the key, Slimboy. I would argue fundamentalism isn't a 'useful alternative conception of the world', which includes belief in a 6000 year old humanity.
It is important that realist or positivist conceptions of knowledge and language are opposed because they lead to tyranny in extremis
I would say your style of relativism also leads to tyranny in extremis, as nothing is allowed to be established and built upon. Can we take a sort of middle ground here? Can we agree that while language is poor, it is useful, and that while reality is currently ungraspable in its totality, that we can make some useful assumptions about it?
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Does your Theology Align with Reality?
by cofty inthesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.
however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.
sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.
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Slimboy, Descartes couldn't even state he was alive definitively (solipsism). He has some nice thought experiments, but his philosophy fails miserably with what we have observed. Of course, you could deny any and everything, but when it comes down to it, you wouldn't stop eating, breathing and going to work to gain sustenance just to prove one of these thought experiments, would you?
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Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt
by QC inif you want to read the definitive explanation on fossils and how life arrived its covered in darwins doubt, by s.c. meyer.
this is a game changer.
the bomb!.
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FYI, parasites also afflict humans, with nefarious consequences. Then again, parasites do help keep populations under control, so God's plan is at work when millions are infected with malaria, culling human overpopulation? QC, that design does not compute, comprende?
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Does your Theology Align with Reality?
by cofty inthesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.
however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.
sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.
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EdenOne, I agree with what you say. There are limits we can draw, however, to define that which could not have occurred. As an example, I cannot claim Columbus lived the same time as Aristotle, because that is patently false. Columbus spoke Italian, a language that evolved from Latin, itself a language that took time to develop, and that coexisted with Greek (though not the older Greek of Aristotles) in the Roman Empire.
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my first post and some questions
by wallievase inthis is my first post after deciding to finally open an account here after months of 'lurking'.. a couple of issues i want to address-.
i have issues with people who go from being a witness to losing all faith in god or the bible which seems to be the case with some members of this site.
i just don't think you can let any religion change how you view god or the bible.. second-i don't feel the gb are bad people, i think most witnesses including them are misguided by something that has been drilled into their heads since they were little and are actually sincere people.
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Hi wallievase! Welcome to the board!
You say:
I have issues with people who go from being a witness to losing all faith in god or the bible which seems to be the case with some members of this site. I
just don't think you can let any religion change how you view god or the bible.
Well, suffering and the general randomness of life, along with many illogical statements I would hear both from the pulpit and from brothers is what knocked me on my butt. I started questioning everything, and either the bible would hold under scrutiny, or it wouldn't. IMO, it doesn't.
Please reply, let me know what you think and what my next course of action should be as I think I'm too afraid to leave because of the effects on my wife,
family friends, etc.
Well, for some, leaving really isn't the best option. You might really shoot yourself in the foot there and end up loosing your family. You have to ask yourself what you value most in life.
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Does your Theology Align with Reality?
by cofty inthesits are fond of reminding us that science cannot prove there is no god, and in this they are correct.
however, science should not be dismissed so lightly by anybody who values a faith that is more than a mere fantasy.. theologians like john shelby spong have shown the intellectual honesty to embrace the truths that science has discovered and adapted their religious beliefs to take account of reality.
sadly many theists lack the courage to do likewise.
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Let's define reality first though, because that seems to be the trickiest part; getting all parties to agree to what reality is.