Posts by Knowsnothing

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Leaked - Video tape inside Watchtower HQ of protest Nov 5, 2017

by Listener in

i saw this on jw reddit and thought, okay that will just be one of the protesters videotaping near their security entrance but it's really from inside the hq's.

i doubt the org.

will be happy that this was taped and leaked.https://rutube.ru/video/2dbc8185062524a41ed8c9e2117ca39d/.

Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

Cold Steel, I understand you would keep away from that stuff and from crazy people. However, have you ever seen any of this stuff first hand, or has anyone every told you of an encounter they had?

jp1692, I am aware of the skeptic community, I myself having been one for several years. That's why I asked if besides research, have you ever actually tried anything to do with spiritism. I'm aware that for skeptics, anecdotal evidence doesn't count for anything, but I know what I saw.

I'll start you off with an NPR coverage on what was one of my favorite bands, the Mars Volta.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18513345

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Should I stay or should I go?

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

hello everyone, i haven't posted anything on here for a while and today i just really felt like i needed to get my thoughts together.

(if you don't know me please read some of my previous posts).

so pretty much not much has changed in my life, i'm still living with my parents and going to all the meetings and service.

Knowsnothing

My advise is to go. You are pretty much an adult already, and even if you don't get into college immediately because of your financial situation, you will see a different side to life besides just field service and meetings. Don't worry about causing a rift in your family, right now the only family you really have is your aunt which seems to be supportive of your decision. You can act with maturity and not ask your aunt to take sides or present your parents in a bad light. Yeah, they are pretty much forcing and manipulating you, but they also love and care for you, and even with their warped world view, they just want what's best for you. Forgive them and move on. Your whole life is ahead of you. I made the mistake of staying too long. I had options but only just recently took advantage of them.

I only asked about whether you believe in God because with him you can find refuge, but I also understand that you may want to take a break from all things spiritual and related to God. I did it for years. The good thing is God will always welcome you with open arms.

I wish you the best BlackWolf.

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Should I stay or should I go?

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

hello everyone, i haven't posted anything on here for a while and today i just really felt like i needed to get my thoughts together.

(if you don't know me please read some of my previous posts).

so pretty much not much has changed in my life, i'm still living with my parents and going to all the meetings and service.

Knowsnothing

Hey BlackWolf, sorry to hear your situation. Do you still believe in God?

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

jp1692, I'd like to know what you researched and how involved you were, if you don't mind sharing.

deegee, thanks for your response. Were you really psychic or clairvoyant during that period, or did you simply believe to be so? Did anything extraordinary happen outside your mental processes?

I'll tell you my experience briefly. I met with a woman that did limpias, which is Spanish for spiritual cleansings. She only works with eggs. She told me to go buy a pack of eggs, which I did. She told me to hold one egg at a time between my hands, so as to absorb my "aura". Then she placed a glass of water in the middle of the living room, made me stretch out my hands to the sides, and rubbed the egg over my body, from head to toe several times. She then cracked the egg open and let the yolk sink into the glass of water. What I saw amazed me. There was black ink surrounding the egg. She said more cleaning was needed. She did the same process, and this time, besides the black\greyish ink surrounding the yolk, directly on top of the hill there was a perfectly domed bubble. It looked very much like an eye.

There is more I can tell you, but this was enough to convince me.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

jp1692,

That's very dismissive of you. Did you even read the articles? The Brazilian mediums were of sound mental health.

deegee, I will take a look at those books, thanks.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

Hi deegee, yes, I did. In fact, is also like to link this article which I believe as more detail of just what the actual experiment consisted of.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/scienceonreligion/2013/06/the-neurology-of-spirit-writing/

The mediums with less experience had different brain activities than those mediums with more experience. That much I gathered. Also, there was a paradoxical effect because the mediums with more experience showed decreased brain activity in areas associated with higher level cognitive functions usually required for those writing tasks. It's possible the experienced mediums simply have more experience and are able to sit down these areas of their brain. I believe there is more to it than just experience.

I'd like to know what conclusion you've arrived at.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

deegee, great articles. Thanks for posting. I'm not sure what your point is though. The studies didn't prove or disprove anything.

For example, let me write from the psychology today article:

To put this another way, the low level of activity in the experienced mediums' frontal lobes should have resulted in vague, unfocused, obtuse garble. Instead, it resulted in more complex writing samples than they were able to produce while not entranced.

Why? No one's sure.---

Also a quote from the Atlantic article:

To take his scans, Newburg uses functional magnetic resonance (fMRI), and single-photon emission computerized tomography (SPECT) imaging. The book Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience, lists their technological limitations. The authors, Drs. Sally Satel and Scott Lilienfeld, write that one limitation of brain imaging is that researchers can’t make a neat map of the brain centers for different activities like phrenologists once did. Even if most people process language expression in one particular area, this processing is highly dependent on connections to other brain activities. The brain is also plastic, so if the usual area for speech is damaged, other areas in the brain may reorganize and take over the function.---

Heads up, you can be of sound mind and still believe in spirits. That was another take away from the psychology today article:

The mediums ranged from 15 to 47 years of automatic writing experience, performing up to 18 psychographies per month. All were right-handed, in good mental health, and not currently using any psychiatric drugs. All reported that during the study they were able to reach their usual trance-like state during the psychography task and were in their regular state of consciousness during the control task.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

How, exactly, does an immaterial spirit interact with a brain and body of matter?
What force or causal influence does it exert, and by what mechanism?

Wish I knew deegee. What I can tell you is that spirits are real, from personal experience.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

Knowsnothing

Cold Steel, here is the gist of it.

The guy in the video, Marcus, said he lived in Wallkill Bethel. He's talking about an allegation that in the Brooklyn Bethel tunnels, some brothers and sisters were channeling spirits.

In the Bethel family Watchtower study, he personally met a young man scribbling and drawing things in a notebook. Marcus, considering himself a spiritual man rebuked the scribbling fellow. The fellow gives him The following scripture:

Jacob 28:10-19

They meet up after, and the scribbling fellow invited him to his house. There Marcus meets scribbling fellow along with fellow's brother and sister-in-law. Fellow explains he's been channeling spirits for a while (using the text as justification). Also used Saul channeling through the witch of Endorsement as an excuse. Fellow also explains Russell did just that, he channeled spirits that told him to study the pyramid. He also goes on to say the Bible students that broke off still use Russell's Studies in the Scriptures. Marcus freaks out, fellow gives him 4 notebooks full of writings. Marcus says he's still got them but has never peered into them.

It's a little bit hard having the patience to sit through it, but it was worth it. BTW, from personal experience, channeling is very real. Don't try it. You'll open a bad gateway. Go only to Christ.