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My Identity!

by qwerty in

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that got you to read this!

what country are you from?.

i find it encouraging to see where different posters are from in the world, especially for me, if you are from the uk or europe.

LoneWolf

Whee! A lot from Oregon. Me too, from the Cottage Grove area.

LoneWolf

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The Long Goodbye......

by hillary_step in

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after a transatlantic discussion with my wife we have both reached the conclusion that we will not be posting to this board again.

though we see the board as serving a useful purpose for some, it does not at present suit the path that we have chosen to walk to extract ourselves from the wts.. this board is in an invaluable place for those of you who have recently left the wts and need a place to stretch your wings and share you hurt and pain.

but once we learn to fly, it seems important that we should leave the nest as quickly as possible, lest we become caught in a vacuum between the wts and real life.

LoneWolf

Well, Tina, I sure won't attack that post. I liked it.

Lonewolf

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Women are COWS!

by JanH in

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when a girl reaches the age of puberty or physical maturity, her.

body has developed in the matter of sex more than in the mind.. young folks like to be together, first in groups, later in twos.. if they have not been instructed by their parents in regard to the.

permitted, because the female is not in physical condition to breed.. the bull seems to understand this and keeps in his own place.

LoneWolf

Hmmm. Yup, it's in there. I've got an almost complete library going back to 1950, and much of the stuff before. It only took about a minute to find.

As to the article --- (sigh)

LoneWolf

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H.O.G.W.A.S.H.

by LoneWolf in

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i promised magdaleen that i would post this for her.. plus it has come to my attention that gopher aspires to becoming a satirist and being the loving, caring soul that i am, i always try to help the young.

he is welcome to try to keep up, but my personal bet is that about 2/3 of the way through he will scream in terror and jump out the window.. this letter was actually sent toward the end of june, 1996. yes, it took about 6 months to write it, as i was working 70 to 80 hours a week as a long haul truck driver.

it was written primarily to my daughters (and our former) congregation in alaska, with copies going to the parties named at the end of the letter.. all the names have been changed or blanked out except for p. g. ronco, the branch overseer, whom i know personally.

LoneWolf

I promised Magdaleen that I would post this for her.

Plus it has come to my attention that Gopher aspires to becoming a satirist and being the loving, caring soul that I am, I always try to help the young. He is welcome to try to keep up, but my personal bet is that about 2/3 of the way through he will scream in terror and jump out the window.

This letter was actually sent toward the end of June, 1996. Yes, it took about 6 months to write it, as I was working 70 to 80 hours a week as a long haul truck driver. It was written primarily to my daughter’s (and our former) congregation in Alaska, with copies going to the parties named at the end of the letter.

All the names have been changed or blanked out except for P. G. Ronco, the Branch Overseer, whom I know personally. This is due to the fact that all parties involved have done well in living up to the conditions I required of them. To further embarrass them would be unfair. This means that if anyone manages to figure out who they are and mess with them, they will answer to me.

The situation revolved around my oldest daughter (Sally), who married an elder’s son (Billy Smith), only to be grotesquely abused by him. I won’t go into more detail here, for the reason mentioned above. I would suggest that you have a shovel and a pair of hip boots handy. If it doesn’t get a few smiles out of you, then you’re pretty far gone.

I should add that this is only the last half of the letter. I was chewing on them on another matter in the first half, plus it contains some rather personal details that are unnecessary for this post.

The following I’m addressing to the members of H.O.G.W.A.S.H.; Honorable Officials for the Generating of Wild Asinine Suspicions and other Hooey. We’ve all met them I’m sure. Many times they are elders, but not always. Usually they can be distinguished by a superior air. It’s amazing how they always know more about what we are thinking than even we ourselves do. These folks have been dreaming up evil motives for me for a long, long time now.

Two things bother me about this.

1. It seems unfair to me that they should get all the fun of dreaming up the evil motive whenever I do, say, or write something. It is only fair I get to share in the fun.

2. Their efforts lately have been very poor, reflecting a lack of pride in their work. Really, (and I’m sorry to have to say this) their work has been so slip-shod and unimaginative that it is a disgrace to the entire H.O.G.W.A.S.H. organization and I strongly recommend something be done about it.

There have been a few half-decent ones, but not many. One young couple with the last name of Smith figured I sent my daughters around to visit other families in order to spy on them. Then there was the elder down here who was convinced I was plotting to bomb the Kingdom Hall.

Even these, though, leave a great deal of room for improvement. It’s been a long time since I’ve had a truly excellent evil motive thrown at me. I’m afraid it may be a dying art.

In view of this, then, I’d like to take this opportunity to do my part in correcting the situation. I wish to demonstrate the proper construction and application of an evil motive and not incidentally share a little in the fun myself.

Take this letter now. I’ve said some nasty things in here, but as everyone knows, I’m so wicked that even Satan himself comes to me for lessons. Therefore to find the evil motive behind these nasty things (even if necessary) would be mere child’s play and not worthy of our time.

However, also contained in this letter is not only a denial that I hate the Smiths, but actual compliments (albeit, backhanded ones) for both Tony (Billy’s dad) and Billy. Now any member of H.O.G.W.A.S.H. worth his or her salt will immediately know there is an evil motive behind that. But what could it be?

I feel free to divulge it here, because I know you are honorable people and will not tip off the Smiths.

The truth is that I am trying to lull them into a false sense of security. As mentioned previously in this letter, I have been providing some rather unusual animal products for medicinal purposes for some time now. (Yellow jackets and hornets.) Also, if you’ve kept up with the news, you will know the market in the Far East is far greater in both variety and quantity than it is here. Bear gall bladders and various types of antlers are a couple of products that go for big bucks. Then there was the fellow caught smuggling more than 50 lbs. of dog male members a couple of months ago in Hong Kong.

At any rate, my reputation for quality and reliability has been growing. A few months ago I received a note from the Outer Mongolian ambassador asking me to meet with a trade delegation. I did, and was treated most courteously. I came away both gratified and enlightened, and holding an invitation to visit their capitol Ulaanbaatar, all expenses paid.

It seems that the active ingredient of a very powerful aphrodisiac there in Outer Mongolia is the powder of the adult male Smith. I had been recommended to them as reliable and they were hoping I could provide them with rather large quantities of it.

I, naturally, accepted.

They made the request that before going into full production, I send them a sample they could test for potency, purity, etc., which is certainly reasonable.

Now, the way I figure it, Billy would serve admirably in this capacity. The last I heard he weighs about 170 lbs., which means after a good enema I’d have about 120 lbs. of usable material left. Then after processing, (freeze-drying, grinding, quality testing, packaging, etc.) I reckon I’d end up with approximately 50 lbs. of pure Smith powder.

Now, given that the quality is up to snuff and that customs fail to catch my smugglers, they promise me a price delivered of 240,000 tugriks per gram! If I could have delivered the shipment on June 21, l996, for instance, the exchange rate being 466.67 tugriks to $1.00, I would be paid $514.28 per gram, $233,274.41 per pound, or $11,663,720 for the entire shipment. Not bad for a couple day’s work, eh, what?

I could use some help here though. It will take a while to process the sample, ship it, and get the final approval. That is good, for it provides time for us to fatten up the rest before I come up to harvest them. My plan is to gain the cooperation of the Smith women in this matter in exchange for a share of the profits, of course.

Now, as to the regimen for fattening them up, I’ve been doing a considerable amount of research, even consulting with the staff of the agricultural department at Oregon State University. To achieve the greatest weight gain in the shortest possible time the following regimen should be followed:

A. A balanced diet of at least 8,000 calories a day, preferably more.

B. Supplemental vitamins and minerals amounting to at least fifteen times the minimum daily requirement.

C. One quart of Miracle-Gro plant food taken at every meal.

D. Pack their feet in manure every night before putting them to bed.

This, I am assured, will without fail produce large, high-quality Smiths suitable for harvest. They should be at least 6 ft. 5 in. tall and 250 lbs.

Now there, folks, is an evil motive truly worthy of the name. It’s a credit both to the one creating it and the one receiving it. Why, just check out these high points:

1. Every step of it is illegal, immoral, and some of it is even fattening.

2. Both the product and the means for getting it are gruesome if not downright macabre.

3. The amount of filthy lucre involved is astronomical.

4. The end product is used for sex, probably illicit.

5. It involves the exploitation of an endangered species.

Yes, this one has it all! But wait! There’s more . . .

I want especially for the more advanced student to pay close attention to these finer points, for they are the things that lend credibility. It’s like the maxim says: “The little things are the difference between excellence and the merely good.”

Now – note the careful transitions from one part of the plot to another, each piece dovetailing into the next so that the progression seems natural and logical.

Then observe how fact and fantasy blend so well into each other that it is difficult to distinguish where one stops and the other begins. Something that helps considerably in this matter is the inclusion of some facts that are so esoteric that it takes a considerable amount of research to verify them. For instance, the capitol of Mongolia and their unit of exchange, the tugrik, were found on the Internet, but it was necessary to go to the International Department of the Bank of America to get the exchange rate.

Again: The harder your victim has to work to verify some fact in your story, the more believability it lends to the whole thing. Remember that.

I would appreciate it very much then, if you members of H.O.G.W.A.S.H. would study this sample with a view toward the upgrading of the quality of your work. Remember what the scriptures say: “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power . . .” (Eccl. 9:10) and “Whatever you are doing, work at it whole-souled as to Jehovah, . . .” (Col. 3:23)

I’m sure you can see the importance of this and wish to thank you in advance, as I feel certain of your enthusiastic cooperation.

(I now recount an amusing story about leading people on, but I won’t recount it now as this is long enough already. I continue . . .)

Dog-gone it now, that was fun! We’re gonna have to do this more often! Anyone wanna borrow my shovel? Arf, arf!

Let me leave you then with a word of caution. There will be those of you who will be outraged by my conducting of this matter in a semi-public manner.

Don’t be.

Think of it this way: One of the reasons Christendom has turned off so much of the world is the hoity-toity air of being holy and unblemished that they sometimes assume. People are not dumb. They know that everyone makes mistakes and has difficulties with others at times, no matter who they are. Look at the Apostle Paul and Barnabas. (Acts 15:37-40)

For us to assume that same air only accomplishes one thing. We prove to them that we are hypocrites.

Whether or not we have disagreements then is not as important as how they are handled. And it is precisely here in such times of difficulty that true Christians should distinguish themselves from the crowd.

Then again, how many of the Nation of Israel’s faults did Jehovah keep secret? Did he not inspire the Bible writers to put them all down so the whole world could know of them? Why?

Because if they are only hypocrites, he wants everyone to know, for then the sheep will not put faith in them.

Likewise if their main concern is the welfare of the sheep and not their own pride and dignity: if they demonstrate the attitude of Luke 17:10 in their lives, he wants the sheep to know that, too. He knows those sheep will be attracted to such practical ones and that they will be well cared for when they do respond.

It’s not without reason that Jehovah wants his people to be a “theatrical spectacle” to the world. (1 Cor. 4:9)

And now I am curious. Are there any men up there in that congregation? Or are there only boys? I reckon I’ll soon know.

‘Till then,

Here I signed my real name. There was a lengthy P. S. too, but as it was more of a personal nature and as this is already too long, I’m leaving it off too. Copies of this were distributed as follows:

***** Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (“Sally’s” congregation in Alaska, and our former one.)

Alaska State Troopers, ***** Office

Valley Women’s Research Center

***** Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Our current congregation in Oregon.

P. G. Ronco, Alaska Branch Overseer. (Based in Anchorage.)

And Others.

For some reason or other, they have never hassled my family or me again. “Sally” and kids are doing well. “Billy” is very respectful toward his elders. They own their own home and she is just finishing up a college course.

“Tony” never did send me an apology, which is fine. He can stew in his own juice.

Meanwhile here in this congregation in Oregon, my wife and kids are well accepted in the congregation. Some of my son’s best friends are elder’s sons. Sometimes he stays over night in their homes, and sometimes they stay over here.

LoneWolf

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Long Lost "Friend"

by silentlambs in

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the following is an emal i recently sent to "friend", as it has now been several days with no response i thought i would share it with the rest of you and see how you would respond if you were sent this email.. silentlambs.

i thought i would touch bases to let you know we are pressing on with the cause for protecting children.

many more continue to come forward and add their names to the list.

LoneWolf

Hello, silentlambs,

Peace to you. There would be many different reactions to that, depending upon the individuals situation.

Many are frightened and don't do anything due to that fright, and that tears them apart on the inside. They come to hate themselves and some have even committed suicide over such things.

Others would be saddened, as they are engaged in strenuous efforts behind the scenes to correct such matters, but cannot speak of them openly without risking their success.

Still others, like myself, have spoken out and risked everything, gotten disfellowshipped, lost portions of our families and most of our friends, etc., only to see such conditions continue. That, and your words, breed feelings of frustration and futility, for we are doing all we can.

But my initial reaction is why limit it to the children? What about the widows and young mothers who find themselves in desperate circumstances and who don't have the fangs that I do to keep those numbskulls at bay? What about the elderly folks who have put in half a century or more doing what they thought was serving God only to come to the horrifying conclusion in the twilight of life that it had all been for nothing?

I know your feelings, but sometimes such problems can only be chipped away over a period of time as they are so well entrenched. Don't get down on yourself or others due to the appearance that nothing is being done. That only reduces your (and others) effectiveness and drains your energy so that eventually you will give up. Pace yourself and husband those precious reserves so that you will last. Always, continually without letup look for ways and means that are more effective.

Above all, keep your chin up.

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell

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Long Intro From A Long Timer

by hillary_step in

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i am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.

i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.

i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.

LoneWolf

Trevor ---

It is indeed a complicated and heartrending situation. One simply aches for a solution that is perfect and covers all the bases, but unfortunately all too many times all we can do is choose the lesser of multiple evils. You could say that we don't have enough hands. Every time we pick up one corner, another drops.

You write: "that a human organization is not needed to worship God. The words spirit and truth come to mind." I feel there is much more to be said on that, but that's another thread. (Or book!)

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell

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Long Intro From A Long Timer

by hillary_step in

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i am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.

i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.

i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.

LoneWolf

Gopher ---

I hope I'm getting the sense of the question under consideration here. Of course, all any of us can do is express that which seems most logical given the knowledge and insight we have.

In regard to the question of individual responsibility vs. community responsibility it seems to me that both hold a legitimate standing, depending on the circumstances of both the organization and individual. Let me illustrate.

Over the centuries the Nation of Israel was guilty of a great many things, beginning with their lack of faith in the Wilderness. Most of the spies came back with a bad report, and it scared the average people bad enough that they refused to go forward.

The nation as a whole was punished for this, as they were then not allowed to take possession of the land for 40 more years. All suffered due to that, indicating the communal guilt that all had.
Later on, that communal guilt increased to the point that the nation itself was destroyed, indicating that there are different degrees of guilt.

However, note that that wasn't the end of it there in the Wilderness. All men 30 years and older were condemned to die before the end of the 40 years. Why? I would suggest that it was because none of them had the courage to speak up when they should have. Because they had shirked their individual responsibility, dire consequences came upon the community. Note too, how age played a part in those who were held responsible. That's why I suggest that our circumstances play a part.

One is connected to the other, and I can't see how they can be successfully divorced.

Now, let's take it one step further. If there was an individual in a position of responsibility in the above illustration and he spoke up, one can well imagine that there would be repercussions. What should he do, quit? Resign his membership in the nation? This was still the nation that Jehovah was using to illustrate certain things to mankind, and they didn't have to be holy to do so.

Or would it be better to use his authority to minimize the damage that will be done to the little ones in his care? Would they be better off if he maintained his position rather than turn it over to a wolflike one? Could he perhaps work behind the scenes to alleviate the problem in the first place or make sure that it never happened again? Then again, maybe he would need to hang on in order to buy time until those innocent ones could gain the strength to survive the separation.

These are all judgement calls. My feeling is that each individual will have to use their own judgement, taking in all of the unique factors of their individual case, and then make their own decision accordingly.

Far be it from me to pass judgement on them, for I don't know the particulars of their case, nor of their strengths and weaknesses, physically, spiritually, or emotionally. Knowledge and understanding also come into play, too.

Them's my sentiments. :-)

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell

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Why some stays inside the JW

by beroea in

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i was posting a little on the old h2o but have taking a break before going to this new room only watching for a while.

im still an active jw and elder here in europe - a long way from you in the usa and also another culture even inside the jw.

i think we in europe as jws are thinking a little different from the jws in the u.s. we dont put religious authorities as high as i think you do.

LoneWolf

Hi, Beroea,

I thoroughly enjoy your post and hope you continue posting, too.

A thought: Could it be that by remaining as an elder despite your doubts, that the 'sheep' you help shephard may be better off than if you left and turned the job over to someone who is not as sympathetic to their doubts and weaknesses?

I would enjoy knowing you.

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell

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Long Intro From A Long Timer

by hillary_step in

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i am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.

i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.

i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.

LoneWolf

Magdeleen, you're all right. I'm not sure if this will answer your question, but. . .

Whether it be my 26th, 260th, or 2,600th, it makes no difference. I (nor anyone else) needs her permission to express ourselves on this forum or any other. The same thing applies to MD.

As far as "older, experienced, intuitive, writing"; sorry, I see no evidence of any of that. What I see is a sneeringly cynical, presumptious, overbearing exploitation of those they deem weaker (and therefore undeserving) than they are. We've all experienced too much of that from the elders, and I have no patience with it.

I also see a couple of women who leaves the impression that they've come to the unilateral conclusion that all men are beasts, and she's going to tar them all with the same brush. Bull. I'm not buying it.

H.S. didn't deserve any of that nonsense they've been throwing at him. All he's been doing is to try and express some sincere concerns that he has. They remind me of those people that you can't even say "hello" to in the morning unless you get a lawyer to phrase it for you. My advice to them: Grow up.

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell

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Long Intro From A Long Timer

by hillary_step in

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i am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.

i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.

i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.

LoneWolf

Wal, Tina, apparently you and MD are of that school of people who never threw a tantrum they didn't love.

I couldn't care less what your plumbing is. You act like a child and you get treated like one. As long as your come-on is as infantile as that above, don't be trying to impress anyone of your maturity, experience, intelligence, or worth. The only thing you will get in return is laughter.

And don't give me any nonsense about being a newby. I go where I want, say what I want, to whom I want, to their face, and with them knowing my name. If you or anyone else don't like it, get lost.

LoneWolf
Alias: Tom Howell