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  Jehovahs witnesses fastest growing religion, my ass.

  by Crazyguy in

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  they the wt are always stating this, yet let's look at just one set of figures.

  the average birth rate in the world is roughly 18 babies born per thousand.

  the catholics have a membership of roughly 1 billion members.

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  kramer

  they don't claim to be the fastest growing religion?? Unless you have a reference to prove to the contrary.
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  Literature being discontinued, including Isaiah's Prophecy and Reasoning book

  by Richard_I in

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  2. friends

  congregations get an annual letter that tells what can be ordered for literature (it's mainly a list of audio cds/dvds for the deaf), but this time it included publications that will be discontinued, and this included the isaiah's prophecy book and the reasoning book, and i think i saw the draw close to jehovah book.

  i meant to take a picture of the letter but forgot.

  the branch is only going to give what they have on stock, when that stock depletes that's it, you won't be able to order those publications anymore.. this is in canada so i don't know if this is worldwide..

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  its hardly trying to rewrite or destroy the past. They are just stopping printing some books.If they were really trying to destroy the past they would do things like tell congregation libraries to destroy all books past a certain age, or encourage publishers only to keep stuff x years old.

  How is stopping printing some things trying to erase a history??
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  Transfer of Bank Balances and Kingdom Halls.

  by kramer in

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  2. friends

  two things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the wtbs and the ownership of kingdom halls.

  firstly, i would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society.

  i would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then i doubt many would argue against it.

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  @stgeorgeofengland, OK, they use a custodian trustee mechanism, widely used by lots of charities.

  but why would the individual charities ever believe they own their own churches anyway? Publishers are just volunteers for a charity , they can no more claim ownership of a hall as can somebody that donates to a donkey sanctuary claim ownership of part of the stables. The society aren't 'stealing' anything as the publishers have never owned the hall. And even if they did any congregation would hand over ownership to the society if asked , if it's deemed to be needed
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  Update on everything going on in JW Land - Insider Information

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'd like to start off by saying that i will be very vague in everything i say.

  i am fairly "high up" in jw land and have to be somewhat careful how i word and say stuff.

  sorry in advance if any specific details are left out.

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  kramer

  You are not really 'high up' are you :) if you are at least give us something interesting , not rehashed information.
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  Transfer of Bank Balances and Kingdom Halls.

  by kramer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  two things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the wtbs and the ownership of kingdom halls.

  firstly, i would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society.

  i would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then i doubt many would argue against it.

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  Two things related to ongoing comments regarding forgiving of loans / transfer of balances to the WTBS and the ownership of Kingdom Halls.

  Firstly, I would argue that congregations don't care that bank balances have been transferred to the society. I would contend that people contribute to the preaching work, and that's it , so long as there is enough in the bank to maintain the hall with a reasonable reserve, then I doubt many would argue against it. If so why would they argue to hold onto money not being used? The exception to this are groups of congregations saving for a refurb / new hall, that have forwarded the balance , and now the LDC won't sort out the said work.

  I noticed a comment regarding London, Chelsea's bank balance being transferred to the society. There is no need to hold £220k in the Bank for them , they can't rebuild (that would be way too expensive). It's the trustees legal responsibility to maintain reasonable reserves and to deploy the rest in charitable activity , either locally or internationally, as per their charitable objectives, so it makes sense to transfer it to the society.

  Secondly, people are talking about transfer of ownership of halls to the society. Is it the case that this is happening? I genuinely don't know. However if it had happened I would have expected to see a substantial jump in the value of the fixed assets in the society's accounts, which hasn't happened (in the UK anyway) . Is this really happening, or just in certain countries/ situations?
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  Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

  but one thing i've noticed that the org.

  has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

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  It's just that distribution is easier now. Before records or tapes would have to be sent out to congregations, and new song books printed. Now songs can be available to everyone at a much lower constant pretty much instantly. And with a majority moving to electronic devices now (in the developed world) - or soon will do, no need for mass reprints.
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  Can somebody explain the songs and songbook obsession?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been out a while and have only put in a rare appearance at a memorial or brief visit at a convention/assembly to keep people off my back, so i haven't kept up on the songbook.

  but one thing i've noticed that the org.

  has been doing that they never did when i was in is all these "supplemental songs" that keep appearing.

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  kramer

  It
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  Watchtower Content Producers Tardy With their Monthly Broadcast. WHY?

  by scotoma in

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  how hard is it to produce a monthly program and get it up on time?

  they are late every month.. are these the same people that published 128 pages of magazines by the 1st,8th,15th and 22nd of every month for over 100 years?

  are they understaffed?

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  kramer

  Yep Scotoma , there is nothing to see here , the monthly broadcasts are done monthly on the same Monday in each month
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  The value of starting a new topic

  by smiddy in

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  i see some members , who have been on this board for many ,many years , who very seldom posted a topic for discussion..i would like to encourage everyone in this situation to re-think there reasons for not starting a subject for discussion.. sometimes after the event , i have thought to myself why did you start that topic ,stupid, however on reading the replies to that said topic , i have learnt a helluva lot more in having done so .in other words i learn a great deal more from the feedback i get from you guys than the question or statement i post.. you might think your question or statement is irrelevant , however to somebody else on this board it may just be the thing they are looking for to help them get through some issue of there own .. so please don`t hold back from posting a subject dear to your heart , or anywhere else .. just saying .

  smiddy.

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  kramer

  Are you counselling us to answer up more brother ? :)
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  Singapore slashes publication bans, but not for Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  singapore (reuters) - strait-laced singapore has slashed the number of publications it bans to 17 from a previous 257, allowing some communist and adult topics, but kept a prohibition on jehovah's witnesses publications.. adult magazines such as playboy, penthouse and hustler remain banned, as are publications by the jehovah's witnesses church produced by its watch tower bible and tract society and the international bible students association.. the church's publications sit in the banned list alongside "hardcore pornographic publications" that "depict female models in sexually suggestive poses and their genitals", the government agency said.. singapore deregistered the jehovahs witnesses and banned its publications in 1972 because the church objects to serving national service in the military or singing national anthems..

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  kramer

  What did you read in that article that lead you to believe that the Singapore government is ok with printed pornography?