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What's the first thing you did when you got out?

by fallen_princess in

i was thinking about all the things i missed out on growing up as a jw.

many of those things i will never be able to do anyway, like join in any extracurriular activities or go to senior prom.

but one of the first things i did when i got out if the borg was join a ballroom dance class and go to a nightclub with some of the students in the class.

fallen_princess

Hi All!

I was thinking about all the things I missed out on growing up as a JW. Many of those things I will never be able to do anyway, like join in any extracurriular activities or go to senior prom. But one of the first things I did when I got out if the Borg was join a ballroom dance class and go to a nightclub with some of the students in the class. It was a great experience to go to a club for the first time. Before I got married my perents would have never even dreamed about letting me go out anywhere even after I had turned 21. But at the same time I felt a little out of place being there and I don't go anymore because my husband doesn't dance and I feel weird not having him come with me. Now, I prefer staying home with him instead of going out with other people. it was not long at all before I got the clubbing thing out of my system; something in the neighborhood of probably five outings total! (lame, I know) I was wondering though, what was the first thing you guys did after you got out?

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

I never heard the red shoes one, but in one congregation I visited I rememeber strappy high heel sandals were frowned upon because they were too sexy. I think most of the elders are just sexually repressed and since they dont get any at home its easier for them to not implode if the sisters at the hall dress in frumpy outdated clothing.

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Watchtower, 2014 and Crooklyn properties

by Alfred in

as we approach 2014, the wt appears to be gearing up for what could potentially be the biggest turning point in their 135-year history.

this new york times article talks about a "complicated formula" involving at least two wt properties slated for eventual residential "re-zoning" which will generate significant property tax revenue needed for the brooklyn park project.... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/nyregion/housing-deal-for-brooklyn-bridge-park-ensures-parks-completion.html?_r=1.

if anyone comes across any details of this "complicated formula", please do share.... it appears that 2014 will be a very interesting year....

fallen_princess

so, they were feeling the squeeze and they formulate a new form of revenue. what will it take for this cult to crumble??

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

man! it seems like all the men on this forum are sounding off about the beard issue. my hubby is growing a beard now after we faded. it seems like all the men that leave grow beards as a last "screw you" to the WTS! Too Funny!

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

@ man in black - OMG so true! Who knows what these "Men of God" do behind lcosed doors. I always had this vibe that our PO was into S&M. No lie! His wife was always wearing these leather boots, PVC acessories and dark makeup in the middle of summer even! it wasn't a stretch to imagine a paddle in her hand; and apperently I wasn't the first to think that! You know how gossip makes its rounds in the Kingdumb Hall!

It feels like a lot of these rules are the GB and BOE injecting their personal preferences into doctrine. and its like a lot of these are so victorian in ideology. Like the one that Eva Luna shared. Pierced ears were considered the mark of a prostitute in western society up until about the turn of the century. Gypsies, who were often prostitutes were the reason this fashion was associated with the oldest profession. Then until about the 40's it was still considered the mark of a loose woman but it was becoming more acceptable ladies fashion. Most earrings back then were screw on's or clips.

Then we have chaperoned dating. Can anyone say "Gone With the Wind"? Those GB members almost make it a point to keep everyone stuck in the past!

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

@ Violia omg, is that true?? It just goes to show how much the GB fears info! They tell us not to look up anything about The borg and its origins anywhere except for in our preapproved litereature but even then, not anything past the Knorr generation. That's just pathetic. I have had this idea about the GB, and yes, yes, it does sound like a pothead's conspiracy but sometimes it feels like the higher ups are like "Ok, this monster has built up steam and not to mention, millions of followers so there is no turning back now. Despite the obvious, looming truth that the whole thing was just a massive prank that got way out of hand, we can't back down now. We'd at the very least look like morons, and at the very worst will be demanding our heads!" It's like they see stuff in the news like Harold Camping and shudder thinking how that could be them if they don't keep up the front! Anybody else feel this way? How about any of you ex-bethelites? Maybe any of you could tell me if I am even lukewarm on this sentiment?

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

The elder on our congregation was on a serious power trip resulting in many stupid directives. No sitting next to your girlfriend until you're married, no talking out in the parking lot alone after the meetings, no decorations of the hall on our wedding, and the list goes on forever.

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

LOL! @ all of these! I do remember the one about the white button shirts when the brothers gave talks. They tried to enforce that one for a few months in my KH but that one didn't stick for very long. I think the reason they gave was that we should be trying to make the message the center focus, and not our attire. There was one similar for the sisters too that makes more sense. The sisters had to wear skirts that hung past their calves when they were to participate in the school because they ran the risk of flashing people from the platform! (It HAS happened much to the embarassment of the sister)

@yourmomma - WOW... just wow.. lol

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JW directives you thought were downright stupid

by fallen_princess in

i remember one time when i was about 17 years old, i wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age.

i suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism.

of course, i was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and i decided to just not go through with it.

fallen_princess

I remember one time when I was about 17 years old, I wanted to arrange a costume party for the young brothers in the congo around my age. I suggested it to one of my friends and was told that the Elders had advised against it because it could be construed as pagan and masks have their roots in demonism. Of course, I was never shown any biblical proof of this but just that response took the wind out of my sails and I decided to just not go through with it. Any other similar stories out there?

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My Apostate wife is out on service

by fade_away in

as i write this, my wife who left the borg along with me is out on service with an old jw friend.

her friend is visiting town and she didn't know we stopped going to the meetings when she called my wife and asked her out on a door to door service.

my wife explained to her our current situation, but still decided to go out with her just this one time.

fallen_princess

@Leaving; Oh I have already felt ostricised by some of those who claimed to be my friends but it was no great loss to me really mostly because I had already accepted it in my heart that my decision was going to distinguish those who truely cared for me as a person from those who placed a condition on their affection. Thanks so much for the encouragement.

@Rebel8, I do see your point, and because you shared a bit of insight as to your personal experiences in the Borg I see where you are coming from. I myself wasn't victimized in a way as severe as you allude to. I guess I just don't see it as so black and white. The way I see it is that the territory that we were in is notorious to be extremely unresponsive, as all society has become in general. There is no world war to spur the movement on and the western upper middle class is steered towards "godlessness" for lack of a better word.

I guess I couldn't know for sure unless I personally called upon those householders again in which I could gauge their responsiveness to the invitation that they received simply to be mannerly. But, I do believe my intentions go without saying. Lol! I am quite confident in the fact that the invites to the DC were promptly disposed of as the householder shut the door I would even be willing to gamble on it as I know it would be a sure thing. My friend knows where I stand, but nobody can convince anyone else of something that person believes in, and she is a believer. If she comes to realize on her own that she has been misguided then I will be happy for her, but it's not a choice I can or even have the right to make for her. I am not minimizing the damage that the Borg has caused either and I respect your point, but these people have a choice and, just like you and I did, can chose to leave.

I don't see any point in being bitter towards those who did care about me and continue to do so. And just like she wanted to meet up in service, we could have chosen to meet up elsewhere. She suggested service and I accepted. I am certain if I had suggested elsewhere she would have agreed.

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