investigation has begun concerning the pressures which a young witness of jehovahs witness, remi, may have undergone regarding leukemia and his rejecting a transfusion.
the young man left a private clinic after receiving visitors, a jehovahs witness refusing blood transfusion because of his religious convictions (le monde, april 11).
he left the residence of his mother in henin-beaumont (pas-de-calais) for an unknown destination but is currently working in germany.
Hello Radar,
thanks for this post. It is nice
that you did translate the articles, because many
English speaking friends don't know bout this very
important case (in France). Great effort and it's
worthy the top position, so that many more would
read it!
Thanks and greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
following the link given by kent,.
i have several observation to make:.
(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).
Hello everyone,
with great ...speed from Hawk and the link:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=13530&page=13&site=3
here is the answer from the WTBS in London:
JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
OFFICE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION
October 22, 2001
Letters Editor
The Guardian
e-mail: [email protected]
Dear Sir,
Stephen Bates' articles in The Guardian of October 8 and 15 substantially misrepresents the background to Jehovah’s Witnesses registration with the United Nations and contains a number of factual errors.
In 1991 one of our legal corporations registered with the United Nations as a NGO (non-governmental organization) for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations. This enabled a writer who received an identification card, to enter their library for research purposes and to obtain information that has been used in writing articles in our journals about the United Nations. There was nothing secret about it.
At the time of the initial application no signature was required on the form. Years later, unbe-known to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the United Nations published “Criteria for As-sociation”, stipulating that affiliated NGO’s are required to support the goals of the United Nations.
After learning of the situation, our membership as NGO was withdrawn and the ID card of the writer was returned.
Sincerely,
Paul Gillies
Press Officer for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Britain
Watch Tower Society, The Ridgeway, London NW7 1RN
Contact: Paul Gillies, telephone 020 8906 2211;
Fax: 020 8371 0051
and from “ The Guardian “ :
Stephen Bates ‘ excellent answer:
...And this is how I've responded to Mr Gillies....
cc:
bcc:
Subject: from Stephen Bates, the Guardian
Message:
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Dear Mr Gillies,
I have just been shown your letter, submitted for publication two weeks after my initial article appeared in the Guardian.
I would be very grateful if you would allow me to circulate it to the
thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who have contacted me since the articles appeared because, if there was nothing secret about your association with the Scarlet-Coloured Beast, I am surprised that so many followers did not know of it, given the WTBTS's frequent condemnation of the UN in its publications.
This may account for the witnesses' feelings of betrayal and sense of
hypocrisy over the whole affair. If it was not secret and was only done to obtain a library ticket,. why did you not tell me when I spoke to you several days before the article appeared? Surely you would have known it or could have found out very easily - most press officers are able to do so.
And why did the WTBTS decide to disaffiliate only two days after the article appeared, when the WTBTS "learned about a situation" which was anyway not secret? Any organisation which affiliates to another surely must know that it has to ascribe to its basic principles, so to pretend that acceptance of the UN charter's aims has been suddenly sprung on you is being disengenuous at best.
As far as I can tell from your letter there are no factual inaccuracies in my reports for you have not pointed to any that you did not have the opportunity to explain to me when we spoke. I don't think the letter will be published. But then what would I know - I'm only bird seed in your demonology!
Best wishes,
Stephen Bates
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Thanks again Hawk, ...many more will be able to
view such ...letters.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
article in portuguese newspaper publico (saturday, october 20, 2001) about the un case:.
testemunhas de jeova ligaram-se a "besta".
(jehovah's witnesses connected with the "beast").
Hello Osarsif,
in order to help ...the
Bethel in Portugal, one should send them all
the Guardian's articles (...excellent ) and the
latest ...letter from the UK 's Bethel representative:
the famous Paul Gillies!!!
From now on HE will called "..Gillis the GREAT !"
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hello again,
Now to give some
more comments:
To Trilobite: ".. A counter…
Wher to post every letter sent and to
Whom.." Excellent idea!
Maybe Simon could give us the
- specific - thread to start!
May I suggest : letters and
Eventually answers ONLY!
Thanks for the Guardians e-mail.
As you already know I've written
And e-mailed to many already,
including Stephen Bates .
I'm planning to send more.
By the way I do like your suggestion
For the letter's title;
"Jehovah's Witnesses and the U.N.,
a study in Hypocrisy "
Thanks for your efforts.
To Detective:
Thanks fot the varoious links ande-mail add. Be assured that I and many others
will be making use of them. Thanks.
To Cecil: Thanks for the informations
concerning the DK,SV and DE papers.
All will be looking forward to the articles
(and their translations for all those not
fluent in such languages).
Please if you can keep contacting by
e-mail and let us know the results.
To Kent: Thanks for scanning the articles
GREAT work! Btw , I preparing more
material, this time….is few decades old!!!
To Hawk: thanks for your great work,
just in case …it is really appreciated!
I'm really pleased about the press in
Canada… " WE …" are eagerly
waiting …!!!
To Mommy: Thanks for your efforts!
I'm not so sure about your request,
but if you wish you can e-mail me if your
require any specific help, do not hesitate
'll do my best !
Greetings to all, J.C. MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
something came across my desk, today indicating ibsa's association with the wcc.. i can't reveal what at this moment, as this would reveal my id.. however i know that there are posters out there who will verify my credentials.. what is needed is someone willing to carry out some digging in the info about the wcc.. let's just say that the scarlot beast isn't the only one to be ridden by the society.. once this is out in the open, more can be revealed,.
any info much appreciated.
regards to all, especially max and oz.
Hello Jemimah,
thanks for the post.
If you wish any help, let me know.
If you wish you can e-mail me.
I do think that this topic it is really
worthy a good ...investigation.
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
latest wt (questions often pretended to be from readers).
lets you pray for df'd people in private.
wow, this.
Hello Metatron,
thanks for posting this one.
I'm inclined to agree with Wannahelp's comment:
"...Maybe the Dec 1, 2002 WT will have an article saying that as long as you meet in private, as to not stumble others in the congregation, it is ok to spend some time with DF'd relatives, so you can observe if they are repentant or not.."
Some subtle change....???
Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hello Hawk,
thanks for that wonderful information :
the WTBS’ letter from the representative member :
Paul Gilles and that excellent answer from
Stephen Bates of the « Guardian » !
I’ll prepare my comments and also write
to Mr. Bates, who did reply to my letter.
Excellent informations, please will
you post both letters on the main thread :
« U.N., NGO’s and the WTBS « so
that a greater number will read them??
Thanks again and greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Hello everyone,
I'm referring to the vast amount
of informations, links , news and comments posted on pages 11-13 of this
thread. First of all thanks for all those
who are spending time, assets and a…great deal of patience to keep all of
us informed. Second, having seen the GREAT importance of the recent informations, I would suggest to Hawk,
Map , Trilobite Kent and many others, to
Re-name this thread :
"WTBS ' NGO involvement…"
where we would post all the various
organisations, forum and similar in
which the WTBS participated thanks
to her " status " as a NGO.
This would include all the reports
Like :
- Human Rights without frontier
with reference to P. Brumley ,
G.C. for the WTBS
(posted by MAp on 19 October);
- Protection of Religious Minorities
(posted by Map on 19 October);
- Interfaith Meeting with the Press
(posted by Map on 19 October);
- The Teaching with Confucius:
with the ref. concerning Caroline
Wah, (for the WTBS).
(posted by Map on 19 October);
- Deterioration pf Religious
Liberty in Europe
(posted by Map on 19 October);
- Link to the Cesnur 1999
international Conference Agenda
(posted by Map on 21st October);
- The OSCE Impl. Meeting on
Human Dimension 17-27 October
2000 in Warsaw.
(posted by Map 21st October );
These are just ex., so that these
precious informations and great
links do not miss their goal i.e.
to show the use/cover of the NGO
status by the WTBS to further her
real interest: gain legal basis and
status in many European countries
and others… and so dodge the various
laws and regulations …including…
yes…you've guessed : to gain TAXES
exemption!!!
For this all the informations, prove
That the WTBS even " socialize "
With many other religious organisations
As the saying goes:
"…in pluribus est victoria…"!!
I do believe that the suggestion is a
reasonable one and technically …
possible. Thanks to Map for the
researches and the reminders.
Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
Hello Sf,
thanks for posting this
EXCELLENT reminder!!
It should ...awake! some.
Thanks and greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
we seem to be at something of an impasse with the press.
currently, the guardian seems to have an exclusive.
i'd suggest we use that fact to get further publicity for the un-wts connection.
Hello Trilobite,
thanks for the good post, the suggestions
and the e-mail add.
Of course I do agree with you, and also with the
content of the letter and its style.
I'll be writing to all the add.
Please post your " ...letter " to the main
thread.."UN,NGO's and the WBS " to get a
wide publicity and encourage more to write.
Thanks again for your efforts, greetings
J.C.MacHislopp
P.S. We shoul always post the " replies "
to the main thread also! - if we do receive ..!
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".
