Hello everyone,
-part TWO -
I do have more comments concerning
the many answers received :
From Map :
".. I don't have the Mags, but looking at "It is Impossible For God To Lie", there is a small one on page 363. Could someone scan, convert, and post this?"
If by the time I'll post these comments you haven't received it, I'll
do my best to send it to you.
Also thanks for another point :
"…Mr. WTS Spokesman also misused (to the WTS's advantage) the label "registration" in his opening paragraph. I've previously seen other loyal JWs characterize the WTS's "association" as a mere "registration", so I get the feeling that they are intentionally spreading the misuse of the word.
However, as you caught it, the idiot then later uses "membership", which is the last "characterization" Brooklyn would want him to use. "
It looks like …there 'll be HEAVY, DARK CLOUDS in "brother" Gilles sky!
A very interesting information about - Annan Calls for NGO-UN Partnership -
It explains very clear the role of the NGO' as seen by the United Nations and uses many
times the term :" P A R T N E R S H I P " and also mentions that " NGO can complement
the work of the United Nations".
And what about the mention of : " …church leaders were instrumental in
the drafting and later the promotion of the UDHR ".
Sice when, even for the MOST NOBLE CAUSE the WTBS has advocated - collaboration,
Partnership , association etc. with the members of BABYLON THE GREAT or with the
" image of the red-scarlet wild beast "???
GREAT, GREAT piece of information indeed!
From LoneWolf: Thanks for sharing with us the press release edited by D avid Brown.
I'll modify it and send again to many different people and newspaper and keep you informed
By means of the main thread " UN, NGO'S and the WTBS ". I hope that the media will
Get many messages.
From Pathofthorns: " …Everything these days, including access to a public library card requires a signature on some sort of application. A signature is probably the single most basic thing required on any application form."
Yet, this simple fact, seems to escape the attention of " brother " Gilles!!!
Really taking people ..for a ride. Thanks also for the points about receiving answers:
Two categories: the - powerful MEDIA's that can receive IMMEDIATE answers,
And the worldwide brotherhood that faithfully waits on Jehovah.
He will, in HIS own appointed time, provide all the answers.
From Anewperson : Thanks for all the comments about the WTBS devious statements
t the Nations, to the Media etc. I'm quite sure that more on those lines will be
pblished by the newspapers worldwide.
To Hawk:thanks for your accurate and specific analysis of
Gilles letter, refuting the major points :
***The legal Corporation, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York applied in 1991 but WAS NOT registered (proper word "accredited") until 1992 by the Department of public Information.
***Gilles is also wrong that the UN registered the WTS as a NGO. The Watchtower was already an NGO. What the DPI did was "accredit the WTS in 1992 and gave the WTS, as a NGO, an "associate" status with the UN's DPI.
***It may have give the writer a library card but they forgot that they must support the UN Charter and the WTS must provide a route (through their magazines) to help promote the UN. They also had to provide 4 references and go through a lot of loops.
***Just look at the 1992 press releases at the time the WTS joined. The DPI makes it clear that NGOs need to SUPPORT the UN charter.
***If there was no signature on any of the forms, prove it - lets see the forms.
***The criteria has alway been there and they would have seen it up front or during any of their annual form submissions.
- Too bad the criteria was already laid out in 1968 with ECOSOC Resolutions 1267 and 1268.
…..the 1992 and more recent UN DPI Press Releases shown in this thread clearly point out the required criteria.
…they had to complete an annual form to keep their creditation that would clearly have provided the criteria.
…the rules were changed by ECOSOC in 1996 updating the old resolutions 1267 and 1268 and thus, NGOs were notified of this.
…there is a brouchure produced every year showing NGOs and what they have to do.
***Gilles also misses the point that an annual accreditation form must be filled out every year by the NGO and they must annually submit their works showing how they got the UN's message out to its followers or they lose accredation.
***Why would Ms. Isolda quote me L. Barry's name (former GB member) along with Ciro's name.
As for the inaccuracies you wrote:
" …What Gilles should have said was that in 1991 the WTS of NY, as a NGO, Voluntarily applied to become "associated" with the UN (DPI) and in 1992 (not 1991) were "accredited" by DPI and obtained official "associate" status."
Gilles forgot the words of James 1:19 " Every man should be swift to hear, SLOW to speak, slow to anger"
And :
"…Notice Gilles letter talks about the purpose of getting the "association" but he doesn't explain what they had to do to get the "association" (ie, the criteria).
So in few words, " brother " Gilles made really …bad !!!
Another point that you highlighted :
" …The UN "disassociated" the WTS after the WTS requested termination!!!"
It is an important FACT to keep in mind.
In mho you also DESTROYED completely "brother" Gilles
statement :
"…Then I look at the Gilles letter where he says the UN made the Criteria up years later. "
and you gave, AGAIN , the proofs of his inaccuracy …sorry …LIES by giving these
informations:
***In covering criteria I am giving you the internet sites to the 2 resolutions passed by the United Nations Economic and Social Council in 1968 (Resolutions 1297 and 1296). The ECOSOC resolutions 1297 and 1296 of 1968 authorized formal NGO association with DPI.
The URL link is as follows:
http://www.un.org/partners/civil_society/docs/ngo1297.htm#association
http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/ngo-un/info/res-1296.htm
Resolution 1297 indicated NGOs who want to associate with DPI must meet "the letter and spirit of Council resolution 1296 governing consultative status".
Now look at Principles 2 and 3 in Resolution 1296. Below I have stated them in full:
"2. The aims and purposes of the organization shall be in conformity with the spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations."
"3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities. "
and for all those who still didn't GRASP the MAIN POINT , you repeated - not this means
everlasting… - but :
***"….This means that the Watchtower had to VOLUNTARILY AGREE to "obey" the spirit, purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations or the scarlet colored wild beast."
Thanks and greetings to you all, J.C. MacHislopp
P.S. I'll be posting these information on the main
thread i.e. " U.N., NGO's and the WTBS "
The many posts are really to good to be
missed. Thanks again.
" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".