Posts by MacHislopp

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Baptism's Statistical Puzzle!

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

this post it to answer to the many requests concerning the

official wtbs inc.'s figures for the total number of :

active proponents of kingdom rule

MacHislopp

Hello again,

I do hope you like my new...profile's picture!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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JWs & the Concept of Conscientious Objection

by Scully in

jehovah's witnesses and the concept of conscientious objection

- by scully .

the concept of conscientious objection is one that has existed for centuries and has been recognized under the principles of free exercise of religious beliefs in both american and canadian law.

MacHislopp

Hello Shakita,

I do like your comment:

"For example, if a Witness years ago decided that his conscience

would permit him/her to perform some type of non-service military activity,

they would be disfellowshipped. Now, all of a sudden, it's up to the

person's conscience. If that's the case it never was up to a person's

conscience. It was in fact, the Watchtower Society's conscience."

I know few who wrote a letter of disassociation to the WTBS Inc., just

after "...the new light/idea/opinion/new viewpoint" and were quite upset

for all the suffering endured for...nothing, only because some men decided

"God's will "...on that matter!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Baptism's Statistical Puzzle!

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

this post it to answer to the many requests concerning the

official wtbs inc.'s figures for the total number of :

active proponents of kingdom rule

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

This post it to answer to the many requests concerning the

official WTBS Inc.'s figures for the total number of :

active proponents of Kingdom rule alias publishers,

keeping well in mind the quote from :

The Watchtower 15 th January, 2001 page 17 3:

Of course , the number of those associated with Jehovahs Witnesses is not a criterion for determining if they enjoy

divine favor, nor do statistics impress God.

Let's take a look at these figures, for the last

40 years, wellfrom the the year 1962.

Here we go:

*** 1961 no. of average publishers884,587

*** N. of baptisms 1962-2002.8,312,330

***Maximum (possible) total of

of baptized Ws in the year 2002..9,196,917 (a)

==========

***Peak of Publishers for the

year 2002.6,304,645 (b)

- in this case (b) where are the

missing 2,892,272 publishers???

***Average of Publishers for the

year 2002 ..6,048,600

- in this case where are the

missing 3,148,317 publishers???

Again, some more interesting questions for the

'defenders ' of the mighty WTBS Inc. -

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

"Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis,

vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".

(Cicerone , De Oratore, II)

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JWs & the Concept of Conscientious Objection

by Scully in

jehovah's witnesses and the concept of conscientious objection

- by scully .

the concept of conscientious objection is one that has existed for centuries and has been recognized under the principles of free exercise of religious beliefs in both american and canadian law.

MacHislopp

Hello Scully,

just to say: b r i l l i a n t piece!

I'll come again with more comments.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

5

Jehovah's Blessings ???

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

"the watchtower " 15th february, 2001 page 27, paragraph 17 :

"the watchtower " 15th , may 2001 page 13 18

the watchtower june 1st , 2001 page 19, 8,

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Few times there has been a request to prove that

what the WTBS Inc. has been printing on a regular

base i.e.

"Jehovah God is blessing His people with increase"

What better way than , to verify this claim, from the WTBS Inc. , own publications?

Let's begin with a quote from a magazine:

The Watchtower 15 th January, 2001 page 17 3:

Of course , the number of those associated with Jehovahs Witnesses is not a criterion for determining if they enjoy

divine favor, nor do statistics impress God.

So according to this statement numbers, statistics are not

really the factor to link to divine favor.

But, wait a second , in the same magazine, page 12 the

WTBS Inc. wrote with a different style:

"Millions of Kingdom proclaimers - a mighty nation -are now associating with more than 91,000 congregations in 235 lands around the earth. Unquestionably, this confirms that Jehovah is speeding up the ingathering of true
worshippers before the outbreak of the" great tribulation," now so near at hand.- Matthew 24:21; Revelation 7:9-14. "

Notice also that Jehovah God is involved, actually is

Him that provokes the " speeding up the ingathering of true worshippers.."

Hold on, and let's go ahead in timejust one month:

"The Watchtower " 15 th February, 2001 page 27, paragraph 17 :

" In his book These Also Believe, Professor Charles S.Braden said:' Jehovah's Witnesses have literally covered the earth with their witnessing. It may truly be said that no single religious group in the world displayed more zeal and persistence in the attempt to spread the good news of the Kingdom than Jehovah's Witnesses.
This movement will very likely go on from strength tostrength.'
How right he was! When he wrote those words 50 yearsago, only some 300,000 Witnesses were preaching around the world. What would he say today, when about 20 times that number-some six million-are preaching the good news?"

Again the tone has changed. You might have noticed a certain pride even boasting about number!

Let's continue and we arrive at the month of May

"The Watchtower " 15 th , May 2001 page 13 18

Question : What evidence is there that Jehovah is blessing the preaching work?

(answer)

"Consult the current Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses,

and note the lands now reporting from 100,000 to nearly 1,000,000 Kingdom publishers. This is powerful proof

that the Kingdom-preaching work is being blessed by Jehovah."

Now it's very clearthe increase is a "powerful proof "

Jehovah's blessing.

Since the WTBS thinks that the R&F needs a quick reminder on this subject, they publish - 15 days

later the following:

The Watchtower June 1 st , 2001 page 19, 8,

question (first part):

What has been the result of Jehovahs blessing on his people..?

***Answer , for paragraph 8 :

Jehovahs Witnesses have been blessed with increase because they have continued seeking first the Kingdom and (Gods) righteousness. (Matthew 6:33) .And the end is not yet. Just during the past decade , the number of active proponents of Kingdom rule increased by over 1,750,000 persons.

Again the increase is considered a "blessing" , naturally from Jehovah .

Yet in all this self-praising attitude the WTBS Inc., has,

to use a familiar expression, shot itself on the foot!

Infact, what the WTBS Inc.s writers failed to add, in

The Watchtower June 1 st , 2001 page 19, 8,

is that during that same period decade i.e. from the year 1990 to the year 2000, they did register, officially a total of 3,523,718 new baptisms, or to use their expression , a total of 3,523,718 active proponents of Kingdom rule symbolized their dedication by water baptism.

In conclusion in that decade so much highlighted, the actual increase of active proponents of Kingdom rule was only 50% of the total whosymbolized their dedication, to Jehovah God , by water baptism.

This fact suggests logical questions :

1) Is it really Jehovahs blessing, behind all the

" increase "???

2) If it is really " the result of Jehovahs blessing on

his people .." what happened to the othe 50%

of the total of active proponents of Kingdom rule

who symbolized their dedication by water baptism??

I do hope that the defenders of the 'mighty' WTBS Inc.

ideas or opinions or everchanging doctrines, will be able

to come up with a "Bible - based " answer.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

"Historia est testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis".

(Cicerone , De Oratore, II)

(P.S. Thanks to Somebody for

some of the quotes ).

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Elders authority over non JW's?

by figureheaduk in

just been looking at e-watchman's mailbag (a bit one sided to say the least.........), and there was a question from a girl who is studying with someone else who she's fallen in love with.

it seems that she's been told that they can't date until they've both been baptized - so she asked the e-watchman his advice.

the first sentence of his reply was "the elders in the congregation don't really have authority over those who are not part of the congregation".

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

I do believe that Elsewhere:

"Its all about control.

This is also why they make their members shun former members.

They know that these people have knowledge that can reveal how

crooked and evil the elders and GB are, but at the same time,

they know they cannot gag someone who is not a member... so

they use their control over the members to make them shun the person

they don't want to have a voice."

A truthful and quite concise way to explain how things are running

in the world of the mighty WTBS Inc. (Corporations).

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Michael Jackson Sleeps With Kids(not his)

by TR in

michael jackson has "slept in a bed with many children.

" what a friggin' weirdo.. http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20030204/d7ovt4eo0.html.

tr

MacHislopp

Hello TR,

thanks for the news.

This:

"The Sun said the "shocking confession" would end

Jackson's career, while the Daily Express said

Jackson "faces a wave of revulsion."

says it all.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

20

WT admits error.

by refiners fire in

i just had a look through ray franz two books and i didnt see this information in there.

though i cant escape the vague feeling it might be in isocf.

if ray has already used this example, apologies.... .

MacHislopp

Hello R.R.,

many thanks for kindly posting , again,

for all those unaware of its existence

such proofs, unmasking without doubt

who was behind it!

This part was the core of the problem:

"The Book The Finished Mystery was published by the

Watchtower Society, it was sanctioned by then president J.F. Rutherford,

and was the cause of much schism within the Bible Students Association,

not because it was promoting Russell, but because it was filled with

misquotes, half truths and perversion of thoughts. "

Excellent!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Looking to the FDS for Salvation

by jgnat in

isaiah's prophecy - light for all mankind ii.

chapter 11, page 164, p. 22.

to look to men for salvation is the height of folly.

MacHislopp

Hello jgnat,

a good post indeed.

I've liked TR comment:

"I really don't think that the WTS wants a high profile of their work.

They are satisfied with secretly prying loose adherents to suck

dry, low profile style."

It's true, already the Internet, the so called "apostate", "dissident"

etc. have unveiled quite a lot about the past - nonsense prophecies

and all the other everchanging present -doctrines/ideas/views

that they, the mighty WTBS Inc. (corporations) don't want to risk

more of their vast multibillions dollars Empire.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Reason #2 Why the 'Truth' isn't True

by metatron in

once upon a time, a cartoon appeared showing a young man holding a sign that said.

"the end is near!

" while talking to a person on the street.. the caption read "it's a good business, i inherited it from my grandfather!".

MacHislopp

Hello Metatron,

thanks for the comments!

I do like the end:

"Because it hasn't been

TRUE for ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS!"

Just concise, true, logical ...brilliant!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp