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  25 years …of “anointed remnant”

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just as a bit of personal reasoning.

  from the wtbs inc. official figures and statistics,

  25 years later, for the year 2002, the total is 8,760 members.-

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  MacHislopp

  Hello again,

  Beelzedub: thanks for the reminder.

  Btw I did post an accurate analysis

  of the number of "anointed remnant" members

  in the last 50years ...what a situation !!!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  THEOCRACY HYPOCRISY Weekly # 2 -- Buying and Selling with Babylon

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  theocracy hypocrisy weekly # 2 -- buying and selling with babylon

  merriam-webster dictionary's definition of "theocracy": government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided .

  why does the watchtower society even need to buy buildings from babylon?

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  MacHislopp

  Hello UnDisfellowshipped,

  thanks for this excellent post. Good logic, well supported with

  straightforwrd quotes...simply all sadly TRUE!

  As usual the WTBS Inc. make rules, modifies them...

  makes new ones and does what it seem profitable in

  term of thousands and thosands of dollars.

  Like any mighty empire of the commercial world.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  25 years …of “anointed remnant”

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just as a bit of personal reasoning.

  from the wtbs inc. official figures and statistics,

  25 years later, for the year 2002, the total is 8,760 members.-

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  Just as …a bit of personal reasoning.

  From the WTBS Inc. official figures and statistics,

  published yearly on “The Watchtower” for the year

  1978, the number of “anointed remnant” is given

  as a total of ……………………………….…………...9,762 members;

  25 years later, for the year 2002, the total is …………8,760 members.-

  Therefore , in 25 years the total, number of the “anointed remnant”

  has decreased of ….1,002 members.

  At this kind of annual declining rate, it will take a total of 218,50 years for all the actual “anointed remnant” members to “leave this earthly abode”….!

  I believe that something is wrong…maybe it is only my reasoning!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  "Non omne quod nitet aurum est "
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  Memorial - Question of the Year

  by Mystery in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no one has come to my door yet.

  i know that someone in my family called a couple of years ago and gave them my address.

  they have dropped by a couple of times.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Mystery,

  thanks for the post.

  Imho, funkyderek has a quite "simple" but...

  far reaching question. You should try it.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  PS Should you need more help...we are here!
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  Presiding Overseer - is this a permanent position ?

  by twinkletoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position".

  my old congregation has recently had a visit from the co and the po appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :).

  twink

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  MacHislopp

  Hello again twinkletoes,

  these few line to add that ...for the rest

  Gopher information is correct and updated.

  "Whenever an elder is removed, an announcement is

  made to the congregation simply stating that "Brother XXXX is

  no longer serving as an elder." If he is being disfellowshipped,

  then they will add that or maybe just read the DF'ing announcement.

  That way the congregation knows to expect a replacement

  (if one hasn't already been announced)."

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Presiding Overseer - is this a permanent position ?

  by twinkletoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me if the "position" of presiding overseer is one which changes every few years or is it now a "life time position".

  my old congregation has recently had a visit from the co and the po appears to have been removed - could be very interesting :).

  twink

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  MacHislopp

  Hello twinkletoes,

  Thanks for the unusual question.

  I do hope that the following informations will be useful to you.

  1*** w71 11/15 pp. 695-697 A “Body of Elders” with Rotating Chairmanship ***

  A “Body of Elders” with Rotating Chairmanship

  In the concluding discourse at each of the “Divine Name” District Assemblies of Jehovah’s Witnesses much was said about “elders,” enlarging on what is printed in the foregoing study articles. This information met with enthusiastic response, and it is published here for the benefit of all our readers:

  YOU will recall that in the discourse “Theocratic Organization Amidst Democracies and Communism” it was stated that the congregation servant acts as chairman of the congregation. We refer to him often as the presiding minister. According to the Scriptural presentation that we heard, the congregation servant is both an “older man,” or elder, and an overseer. The statement was also made: “When, in course of time, the chairmanship that he has occupied is rotated to another member of the presbytery or ‘body of older men,’ he still remains a member of that presbytery and he is assigned appropriate duties.”—Page 693, paragraph 21.

  Now some of the brothers are inquiring about what is meant by this rotation, and should this be taking place in our day?

  We noted that, according to the Bible, congregations may have a number of older men, all of whom are overseers. The apostle Paul refers to a “body of elders [Greek, pre·sby·te´ri·on].” At 1 Timothy 4:14 we read: “Do not be neglecting the gift in you that was given you through a prediction and when the body of older men [or, elders] laid their hands upon you.” Here there was a “body of older men” that had responsibility. And to Titus, Paul said, as recorded in the first chapter of Titus, the fifth verse: “For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might correct the things that were defective and might make appointments of older men in city after city, as I gave you orders.” According to the footnote of the New World Translation, 1971 edition, Titus was to “appoint elders.” These men were appointed to be elders and overseers in the congregation. No one of them was reaching out for the most important, responsible, prominent and powerful position in the congregation, nor did anyone want to be that kind of a person. (1 Tim. 3:1) They were all one body of shepherds desirous of looking after the sheep, and they would all work and cooperate together as a body of elders.—Acts 20:17, 28.

  Of course, there would have to be a chairman of this “body of elders” in taking care of the shepherding work that had to be done in the congregation. Very likely in those early days of the Christian congregation, the chairmanship rotated among the elders.

  ANNUAL ROTATION

  Now, the question that the brothers have been asking is, How is that going to work today? It would seem good for the rotation of elders to take place yearly. Does that mean that the congregation servant will be changed each year? Yes! He will still be an appointed elder, still be one of the overseers, but another elder in the congregation will now become congregation servant, or the chairman of the “body of older men.” That does not make the new chairman the most important elder; it simply means that he will be caring for added responsibilities for a time.

  The information we received Friday afternoon of the District Assembly pointed out that there could be five different men filling five key positions in the congregation, namely, the congregation servant, the assistant congregation servant, the Bible study servant, the Watchtower study servant and the Theocratic Ministry School servant. These should all be “older men” of the congregation if the congregation has that many appointed elders, and they would make up a “body of elders.” If they would be rotating, then each year there would be a new chairman. Under the rotation arrangement the one serving as the chairman, the congregation servant, would move out of his position and logically the one serving as the assistant congregation servant would move in as the chairman, or congregation servant, for the next yearly term.

  It seems good, in harmony with what was said in the “Theocratic Organization” talk, that beginning with October 1, 1972, we put the rotation method into operation. If that be Jehovah’s will, then next year, on October 1, 1972, the one serving as assistant congregation servant, where feasible, will move into the congregation servant’s position and all of the other older men or elders in the congregation will shift position. Logically, the Bible study servant will become the assistant congregation servant, the Watchtower study servant will become the Bible study servant and the Theocratic Ministry School servant will become the Watchtower study servant. The former congregation servant, still being one of the “body of elders” and still assigned to shepherding the flock of God, will (if there are only five elders) fill in the remaining vacancy of the overseers, which will be the position of Theocratic Ministry School servant. So for the next year he will have that privilege of service as part of his responsibility in shepherding the flock of God. He will continue to be, along with the entire “body of elders,” one of the overseers. But the chairman of the “body of elders” will be the new congregation servant and he will look after the general supervision of the work. If there are five different elders filling these five different appointed offices, then all of them will move, each one, into a different position each year.

  The question might be asked, What if some elder does not wish to take on the office of chairman or, for some reason, is unable to do so? Then it would be up to the “body of elders” to make the recommendation that he be allowed to be bypassed and perhaps the next one in line in rotation would serve as chairman. Under those circumstances the Bible study servant might move into the position of congregation servant for the coming year, and be the presiding chairman. But there should be a change in all positions unless it is a small congregation and there is only one elder. This might be the case in newly formed congregations. We must keep in mind that all the older men that have been appointed as elders and overseers by the governing body at headquarters take on an office of responsibility. Therefore each one should be willing to rotate as respects his office and be the chairman for a year and take on the position of the presiding minister. Also, any elder that is bypassed at his request would not serve another year in the office then held but would be shifted to another acceptable office of responsibility.

  It is true that some congregations do not have enough qualified elders or overseers, and some brothers may be filling two positions now. In such cases, the “body of elders” will have to make a recommendation to the governing body as to who could fill two positions in the next round when there is a new chairman, or presiding minister, of the “body of elders.”

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  2*** km 8/75 p. 4 To All Bodies of Elders ***

  Rotation—or, pp. 67, 68.

  At the elders’ meeting in September the body of elders will decide which elder will serve in each position of oversight during the new service year. If there are positions that any of the brothers might not be able to serve in, according to the regular pattern of rotation, those positions will then be filled by qualified brothers, the decision on this being made locally by the body of elders. When the new assignments are decided upon by the local elders these may be announced to the congregation. It is not necessary to wait to hear from the governing body, except when new recommendations for elders are being made or when recommended removals are pending. Temporary arrangements can be made until the new appointments are received. But even when there are new recommendations this does not hold up all the other brothers from taking up their new assignments. This rotation should take place early in September, immediately after the details are decided upon by the body of elders. Normal rotation is explained on page 67 of the Organization book, paragraph 2. Other information regarding this is found on pages 68 and 69.

  What happens when new elders are being recommended? The newly appointed elder is appointed because he has the spiritual qualifications and thus he should be able to take care of an office of oversight, even dealing with judicial matters, if necessary. Under ordinary circumstances, where there are now five elders and another one is being appointed, the outgoing presiding overseer would not occupy one of the five principal positions for the coming year. He would customarily take his place in rotation following any new appointee(s). However, the local body of elders have the responsibility to determine where the elders will serve, taking into consideration the rotation arrangement.

  3*** km 8/78 p. 3 Adjustment Affecting Rotation of Elders ***

  Adjustment Affecting Rotation of Elders

  As announced at the international conventions this summer, there will be a further adjustment in the congregation arrangement for elders. Starting with the 1979 service year (September 1, 1978), rotation will take place only with respect to the position of presiding overseer. There will be no rotation with regard to the positions of field overseer and Bible study overseer.

  This means that, for the present, elders who are currently serving as field overseer and Bible study overseer will continue in these positions until further notice. Details will be provided in the near future regarding the arrangement for each body of elders to select and recommend certain elders to serve continuously in caring for various matters.

  As to rotating into the position of presiding overseer in September 1978, it may well be that the person next in line to serve as presiding overseer, no matter what position he holds now, can continue to serve in his present capacity temporarily and also serve as presiding overseer. If an elder feels he is not in a position to serve as presiding overseer due to health or other reasons, then the next one in line will be given the opportunity.

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  Then in the book “ Organized to accomplish our ministry “ published by the

  WTBS Inc. in 1983, it was published, under the subheading – POSITIONS OF

  RESPONSABILITIES - , the following:

  “ In each congregation there is a presiding overseer who serves for an indefinite

  period of time. The same is true of the secretary, service overseer, Watchtower

  Study conductor and Theocratic Ministry School overseer. The elders do not serve

  in these positions on a rotational basis. “

  Well I do believe that’s all!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  ANOINTED… SPIRITUAL INSIGHT?

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the anointed

  anointed ones.

  to his anointed

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  thanks for taking the time to read the post and

  to comment freely.

  Thanks also for all the additional

  and your appreciative remarks.

  I'll take the time to comment on some of the

  points . Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  If you ever Wondered why it is so HARD to Sue WT for being DFed- read this

  by JT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in re: your status in the xxxx congregation of jehovah's witnesses, xxxxxxxxx.

  e. when a judicial committee handling a case of wrongdoing reaches the conclusion that the unrepentant person would be disfellowshipped, then the committee will speak with the person and let the individual know of their decision to disfellowship him or her from the congregation.

  the supreme court in serbian eastern orthodox diocese specifically held that the first amendment prohibits civil court inquiry into matters of internal church discipline.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello again JT,

  thanks for the other comments.

  I do like this:

  "When you can make and change the

  rules in the middle of the game like wt

  does all the time." !!!

  Unfortunately very true.

  Btw, it is also true that in Europe there is an increasing

  number of "Disass." instead of "disfellowshiping".

  As you have commented it is easier for the WTBS Inc.

  and takes the " load " away from the '...elders'.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  PS. Hi... to hawkaw and Somebody...please cool it down!
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  Sweden TV scoop of the year

  by happy man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  yesterday sweden tv send a program like dateline, it was done from one of the most famus journalist in sweden, and i thnk this program was just terribel fore our leadreship, to se the bigg men in broklyn running away and hide when he come and want intrevju, sending out some bigg gorilla to tell we dont aswer your qestions, and the same in sweden the send forward a littelgirlto tell we dont answer on this acisations, and the sweed higest man put on the phone when the qestions as to tuff.. and most terribel to se some jw elder say we go to the police, and later they show a kommitte meeting filmd in secret when elder say to the vicktim, no we dont go o the police if you want to its upp to you, and in our cong one hour before this we have a letter from hedquorter if the law say so we go to the police, come on guys, be hounest.

  as jw i must say, we must get ridhe of this men how are behind this maffia like behavior, we as jw hate pedofile wery much and if some try to protect them they must be pushed away.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Happy Man,

  thanks for the news. It is a great thing when the ' top guns'

  at the WTBS Inc. get got and the news is broadcast and

  printed for thousands and thousands more to know.

  Could you be specific about the TV program?

  Name, date, ? Anything published in the next day

  on the national press?

  Thanks again,

  J.C.MacHislopp
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  If you ever Wondered why it is so HARD to Sue WT for being DFed- read this

  by JT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in re: your status in the xxxx congregation of jehovah's witnesses, xxxxxxxxx.

  e. when a judicial committee handling a case of wrongdoing reaches the conclusion that the unrepentant person would be disfellowshipped, then the committee will speak with the person and let the individual know of their decision to disfellowship him or her from the congregation.

  the supreme court in serbian eastern orthodox diocese specifically held that the first amendment prohibits civil court inquiry into matters of internal church discipline.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello JT,

  thanks for posting...all the material. It will useful for

  all those who whish to have a ' legal ' answer to the

  WTBS Inc. tactics. As it has been commented, the

  only ' field ' of action...actually a mine field, is every case

  of " child molesting . Already many churches have paid

  billions of dollars in compensations and ...very soon I do

  hope it'll be the turn of the mighty WTBS Inc.!!!

  Thanks again for the excellent and informative research

  which will go ...directly in the files.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. At the moment the situation is quite the same

  in Europe.