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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

although a bit late (due to unforeseen circumstances) here below, I’m presenting more maretial to disprove another

claim made during the October 2012 annual meeting:

Part Three:

As usual I’m giving a few reminders:

***1936

The Watchtower Vol. LVII , n° 18,

September 15 th , 1936 page 276 2 nd col. paragraph 10

“Gathering the Multitude” part 3

“ No man is the teacher of the Lord’s anointed , and they need

no man to teach them , because Christ Jesus is at the temple. (1 John 2: 27) If The Watchtower publishespublishes anything that is not supported by the Scriptures do not give heed thereto.The Watchtower endeavors at all times to “ prove all things” by the Word of God . The faithful anointed ones well know whether the points published are supported by the Word of God or not.”

***1998

w98 7/15p.12 Beware of a Lack of Faith

15 Paul started his warning with the provisional clause "if you people listen to his own voice." God spoke to his people through Moses and other prophets. Then, Jehovah spoketo them through his Son, Jesus Christ. (Hebrews 1:1, 2) Today, we have God’s complete inspired Word, the Holy Bible. We also have "the faithful and discreet slave," appointed by Jesus to provide spiritual "food at the proper time." (Matthew 24:45-47) Thus, God is still speaking.

***2000

From the book: (jp-1)

“Isaiah’s prophecy Light for all Mankind “ Vol. I

chap. 23 page 310, paragraph 18 : (publ.2000)

“ Each Christian should listen carefully as Jehovah speaks through the pages of the Bible and through Bible-based publications provided by “the faithful and discreet slave.”(Matthew 24:45-47)

***2011

The Watchtower July 15 th 2011 page 12 paragraph 8 (Simplified English Version)

"The organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance ofpure waters of truth from God's Word."

On October 2012,at the annual meeting it was stated:

The Faithful and Discreet Slave was not appointed at Pentecost 33CE, meaning that there has not been a continuous line of members of the Slave Class on the earth down through the ages.

The Slave Class was only appointed for the first time by Christ in 1919.

With the above declaration C.T.Russell was ruled out as been part of the “Slave Class” and - to use a Society’s pet expression: by” extension” from beeing a part of the “Governing Body”

Yet what happened ib 1918, just before the inspection?

A 1955 Watchtower article explains :

*** w5511/15p.698par.36“JehovahIsinHisHolyTemple”***

36 Indignant against any wrongdoing toward these, Jehovah at his temple has been a swift witness against persons “that turn aside the sojourner [or, temporary resident] from his right.” (Mal. 3:5, AS) Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah causedto be preached from 1918 onward the startling public message “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” and in 1923 he provided the interpretation of “the parable of the sheep and the goats.” (Matt. 25:31-46)

Now let’s see a recognized member “ Judge Rutherford” in action , moved by Jehovah God and His son Jesus Christ –.- started a campaign of world wide teaching . Amo,g the things taught , from 1918 onward, by the Society’s President , J.F Rutherford , there was a special one, concerning the “ the return of the princes “

Let’s have some examples of teaching “ caused” by Jehovah:

From : " Consolation " of May 27, 1942:

"It therefore appears that the return of the princes is a fundamental teaching of the Scriptures. It is as certain as the truth of God’s Word. Judge Rutherford gave much of his life in endeavoring to bring this vital matter to the people’s attention."

1. Will the "princes" be changed from human to spirit beings?

Yes: "The Scriptures show, they [the Ancient Worthies, ‘princes’] will be changed from human to spirit beings at the end of the Millennium."

"Questions and Answers,"Watch Tower, 15 January 1925, 23.

No: "Nor is there any Scriptural reason to conclude that Abraham and the other faithful men of old shall ever be changed from human to spirit creatures, as was once thought."
J. F. Rutherford, Jehovah (Brooklyn: Watch Tower, 1934), 37.

2. Will the "princes" be resurrected as perfect, tested men?

No: "They will not have perfection of character when they come forth from the grave....The final test...will be imposed at the end of the Millennium...."

The Watch Tower, 15 January 1925, oage 23.

Yes: "It is reasonable to expect that these faithful men will be brought forth from the tombs as perfect men , possessing perfect bodies and perfect minds. They were tried and tested before they died."
J. F. Rutherford, Deliverance (1926),page 324.

3. Will the resurrection of the "princes" take place only after the church is glorified?

Yes: "Our opinion is that the ancient worthies will not be resurrected until every member of the Church is gone."
Watch Tower, 15 January 1925, 23.

No: "From the Scriptures it appears to be absolutely certain that some of the remnant [church] will be on the earth when those faithful men appear...."
J. F. Rutherford, Salvation (Brooklyn: Watch Tower, 1939), 310.

Yes: "Some of the anointed remnant have thought of surviving and living on to welcome back such resurrected faithful ones who died before Pentecost 33 C.E. Will the anointed be thus privileged? This would not be necessary."
"Remaining Organized for Survival into the Millennium,"

The Watchtower, 1 September 1989, 20.

4. Did God’s favor return to Israel and did this indicate the soon return of the "princes"?

Yes: "Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David and the prophets will be brought forth and be made leaders of the people. We may expect their return soon, because the favor of God has begun to return to Israel."
J. F. Rutherford, Life (Brooklyn: Watch Tower, 1929), 191.

No: "By the publication of Volume 2 of the book Vindication that year [1932], Jehovah’s witnesses came to see that such a ‘back to Palestine’ movement was by the spirit of Jehovah’s archfoe, Satan, who has deceived the entire inhabited earth."
"Modern History of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Part 10),"

The Watchtower, 15 May 1955, page 296.

5. Will the "princes" return to Jerusalem when resurrected?

Yes: "We should, therefore, expect shortly after 1925 to see the awakening of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob....These will form a nucleus of the new kingdom on earth. One of the first things necessary will be to put Jerusalem in condition to be the capital of the world."
W. E. Van Amburgh, The Way to Paradise (Brooklyn: International Bible Students Assoc., 1924), 224.

No: "It is confidently expected that in God’s due time some of the faithful men mentioned in Hebrews 11...will find an abode in that house [Beth-Sarim in San Diego] while carrying on the work the Lord will give them to do."
1931 Year Book ( International Bible Students Ass. 1930), page 36

6. Will the "princes" be resurrected before Armageddon?

Yes: "Those faithful men of old may be expected any day now. The Scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks.

" book: The New World ( ed. 1942) page 104

No: "For years, Jehovah’s people thought that faithful men of old times, such as Abraham, Joseph, David, would be resurrected before the end of this wicked system of things." 1975 Yearbook page 213.

7. Is Psalm 45:16 to be applied only to the pre-Christian "princes"?

Yes: "In Psalm 45:16 it is written: ‘Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth.’...This prophecy, therefore, shows that Christ the King will make those faithful men the princes or visible rulers in all the earth."

J.Rutherford, What You Need (1932),page 8.

No: "Those to be made princes according to this text [Psalm 45:16] were long understood to be the faithful witnesses of ancient times before Christ who were to become the children of Christ the King by being resurrected from the dead."
"Princes Shall Rule in Justice,"

The Watchtower, 1 December 1951, page 717

8. Are the "princes" of Isaiah 32:1 the same as mentioned in Isaiah 45:16?

Yes: "The new earth will consist of righteous men who in times of old proved their integrity toward God and who the Lord shall ‘make princes in all the earth,’ which princes shall rule in righteousness under the direction of the righteous Lord (Ps. 45:16; Isa. 32:1)."
"Righteous World,"

The Watchtower, 15 November 1938,page 339.

No: "Because Isaiah 32:1 mentions princes and connects them with the King of the new world it was thought that these princes were the same as mentioned in Psalm 45:16. ...However, from and after 1947 the columns of The Watchtower have not been quoting Isaiah 32:1 and applying it in that way."

The Watchtower, 1 December 1951, page 717.

9. In addition to "ancient worthies," are there also "modern worthies"?

No: "In its issue of January 15, 1920 (pages 21-28)...The Watchtower discussed the question of ‘modern worthies’ according to the information and facts then available and said No! to such a class." "Beginning the New World Society,"

The Watchtower, 1 November 1950, page 416.

Yes: "Since they manifest a similarity of faith, there is nothing that Scripturally argues against his taking as many of these ‘other sheep’ as he requires and making them ‘princes in all the earth.’""Beginning the New World Society,"

The Watchtower, 1 November 1950, page 417.

Surely, all the above material is an ample and sufficient proof, to state that J.F. Rutherford and his fellows members of “the Governing Body” were not teachings: “things supported by the Scriptures.” Furthermorethey were not giving fellow Bible Students/Christians “ pure waters of thruth from God’s word”.

In conclusion they were not teaching truthful things but personal ideas, man’s oipinion or even worst …just lies.

On part 4 I’ll provide one example of apostasy from God’s word the Bible which happened after the claimed Jusus Christ inspection

in 1918-1919.

That’s all for now. I do hope that the material was interesting.

Greetings,

J.C. MacHislopp

PS Many t hanks to those who helped me to find the missing quotes.

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

MacHislopp

Hello Cedars,

after reading your blog, your informations and " some" of the exchanges you have on this forum,

I wish to tell you how much I and my friends in Europe (Austria Belgium, France, Italy, Spain) to

name some, appreciate your hard work and the great informations and update, above all on the

C. Conti case.

Keep up, continue to be courageous, we are all thinking of you and all those so much involved in

defending the C.Conti case.

Best wishes, and loving greetings,

J.C MacHislopp

P.S. Please ignore the negative comments, accepts the constructive critics and..

remember your work is greatly appreciated on this part of the planet.

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The Governing Body - their own worst enemy!

by cedars in

i've been giving some thought recently to what's going on in the minds of the individual governing body members, and what makes them tick.

the process of listening to their talks for my "getting to know you" youtube video series, though draining, has been very enlightening.

i now feel i know some of their individual personalities a little better than i did previously.. then there has been the tumultuous events of 2012. it's been interesting to note the way the governing body has responded to some of these issues, and how in most cases their responses have been woefully inadequate or even counter-productive as regards their long-term interests.. for example:.

MacHislopp

Hello Cedar, I did enjoy reeding your post. A very clear analysis of the Society including the latest events.

I’ve retained the following:

This finally happened with Candace Conti, and the Society suffered arguably their most damaging legal defeat in their history back in June.

Great factual point indeed.

The now-infamous October 1st letter, in which the Society is actually taking on even MORE liability in the handling of cases of alleged child abuse than ever before.

Very true . More damaging than ever due to its circulation on the www

A flawed decision based on a flawed perception of reality.

That’s what happen when you think you know it all.

Only the more cynical would ever realise that there is actually no link between the anointed and the Governing Body, and in that respect they have been self-appointed cult leaders all along.

The more people will be well informed about past

“ teachings/doctrines/views “ the worst will be for the Society;

My own father's reaction was slightly more intriguing. He said he would need to look at the explanation given to see if it is sound enough.

The same reaction I’ve heard from some of my friends when I related the content of the annual meeting and gave written copy of the GB statements.

Furthermore, the revised teachings of the Society make them less credible for future potential converts with critical thinking skills in this information age to accept. In short, it was a bad move. A VERY bad move.

As I’ve alredy stated , the best weapon in this “ doctrine”s war is the …w w w

They have bought their own publicity, and are acting accordingly. I obviously can't speak about Mark Sanderson, because he's new on the scene. However, the other 7 strike me as being naive, deluded, vain, pompous, arrogant, and frankly lacking in intelligence.

I might be wrong but sometime the face “speaks out”. He looks like a “ Yes, Yes, Yes “ man.

However, a benign, smiling "yes man" who doesn't know too much would fit right in, so I can imagine this being the basic profile that Governing Body members look for in making new appointments.

They do because ythey wish to retain “p o w e r “.

Anyway, great reading of very interesting material, concise and well written. Keep on Cedar, but take care of you and your family.

Greetings,

J.C.MacHislopp

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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone and thanks for your comments.

EMERY

“It’s quite embarassing that we allowed them the slightest bit of authority based on these ridiculous teachings and false predictions.”

Excellent …and true

“I always enjoy topics which dismantle their authority.”

We like the same things.

jookbeard

“…more quotes please they are so enthralling, I just love that scroll button”

With my researches you’ll scroll quite a lot.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello Phizzy,

thanks for your comment.

"How is it possible that Jehovah God and Jesus Christ selected them as an approved, loyal and discreet slave ?"

I do agree with you 100% . The above question is a vital question before ...any step.

Greetings,

J.C. MacHislopp

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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Stealth : thanks for your appreciation.

Now, as I have promised, here it is

Part TWO :

But before, allow me, please, some reminders:

*** w642/15p.101DoesSincerelyBelievingChangeWrongintoRight?***

The truth will not allow for all the different shades of religious doctrine in the world. …

There cannot be two sets of truth when each conflicts with the other. One or the other is true, but not both. It is like a person being alive or dead. He is one or the other, but he cannot be both. When a belief is not correct but is wrong,then it cannot be right at the same time. The most sincere belief and practice of that belief will not change it from being wrong into being right. Nor will it become acceptable to God as truth, since he does not take pleasure in falsehood.

w 1964 June 15 th page 365 Jehovah the God of Progressive Revelation

The holy spirit of Jehovah is working mightily today! How thankful we should be for the provision God has made of this slave class, the modern spiritual remnant, as they faithfully dispense the revealed truths of Jehovah!

*** w01 8/1 p. 4 Why Do You Believe What You Believe? ***

When it comes to religion, mistaken beliefs have historically caused great harm.

*** w07 5/15 p. 22 par. 6 Why All Suffering Is Soon to End ***

7 These were faithful men who had a great deal of respect for God. Were they rebuked for raising such troubling questions? On the contrary, Jehovah saw fit to have their sincere questions recorded in his Word. Today, a person who struggles with the prevalence of evil may actually be hungering spiritually—longing for answers that only the Bible can provide. Remember, Jesus spoke well of those who are spiritually hungry, or who are “conscious of their spiritual need.” (Matthew 5:3) What a privilege it is to help such ones find the happiness that Jesus promised!

***Statement to be proved:

***3

Despite founding the Watch Tower Society, Charles Taze Russell was not part of the Slave Class because he was not alive and serving at Headquarters when Jesus Christ made his selection in 1919.-

Let’s examine a few Society’s declaration concerning the years before Jesus Christ’ inspection

R 334

VOL. III. PITTSBURGH, PA., APRIL, 1882. NO. 10.

page 1

ZION 'S

WATCH TOWER

and

Herald of Christ's Presence

ROCK OF AGES
Other foundation can
no man lay
A RANSOM FOR ALL

[R344 : page 7] QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

Ques. Please let me know by what name you people call yourselves? What denomination?

Ans. We are strictly unsectarian, and consequently recognize no sectarian name, believing with Paul, (read 1 Cor. 3:1-4 ) that where one saith I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, or I am a Baptist, or I a Methodist, etc., it is an evidence of carnality, and consequently in opposition to the Spirit of Christ. Did Paul or Apollos die for us?

We have no creed (fence) to bind us together or to keep others out of our company. The Bible is our only standard, and its teachings our only creed, and recognizing the progressive character of the unfolding of Scriptural truths, we are ready and prepared to add to or modify our creed (faith--belief) as we get increase of light from our Standard.

" God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached "

published in 1973 the WTBS Inc. :

*** kachap.17pp.350-351pars.39-40The“Slave”WhoLivedtoSeethe“Sign”***

40 The serving of food, the right sort of food, at the proper time was the issue. It had to be according to this that a decision must be rendered by the returned master. Well, then, what about that body of Christians internationally hated and persecuted? (Matthew 24:9) Down to 1919 C.E. they had endeavored to give “food at the proper time” to the “household of faith” or the “domestics” of the heavenly Master. They did this despite interference by persecutors and the warring nations. Not only was the regularity in serving the spiritual food a problem, but the quality of the food itself was to be considered. In this respect the body of hated, persecuted Christians, who always sought to be faithful slaves of Jesus Christ, met the test. During the years of the world conflict they had not joined Christendom or pagandom in preaching the war propaganda submitted by the political governments. They persisted in preaching the Bible message for the time and in advocating a Christian adherence to Bible principles for everybody.

So, what where the spiritual conditions, of theBibles Students, what kind of spiritual food was given ?

Do the proven ' facts ' confirm all the above mentioned claim or ...to the contrary offer an entirely different picture - for the period going from 1914 to 1919 ...and even many, many, many years after!

One of great source of information is bthe book :

"Jehovah's Witnesss in the Divine purpose " published by the WTBS Inc. in the year 1959 on page 91

it is written, concerning the 'Bible Students' :

1°°°Believed that there were certain saving qualities in their self-merit;

2°°°Were guilty of creature worship;

3°°°They had a democratic form of 'election 'for

congregational oversight (elders and deacons);

4°°°Had an incorrect view of the " higher powers "

mentioned in Romans 13:1;

5°°°Celebrated " pagan " holydays such as Christmas ,

" Proclaimers' book, published in 1993:

*** jv 198-9 14 "They Are No Part of the World"

When the World Had Its Holidays

But for a time, certain holidays were not given the careful scrutiny that they needed. One of these was Christmas. This holiday was celebrated yearly even by members of the Watch Tower Societys headquarters staff at the Bethel Home in Brooklyn, New York. For many years they had been aware that December 25 was not the correct date, but they reasoned that the date had long been popularly associated with the birth of the Savior and that doing good for others was proper on any day. However, after further investigation of the subject, the members of the Societys headquarters staff, as well as the staffs at the Societys branch offices in England and in Switzerland, decided to stop sharing in Christmas festivities, so no Christmas celebration was held there after 1926.

6°°°Celebrated birthdays :

*** jv 200 14 "They Are No Part of the World" ***

In their Daily Manna book, Bible Students kept a list of birthdays. But after they quit celebrating Christmas and when they realized that birthday celebrations were giving undue honor to creatures (one reason that early Christians never celebrated birthdays), the Bible Students quit this practice too."

7°°°Taught , for decades that the Great Pyramid was a strong and corroborative witness to Gods plan ,

"Proclaimers...." published by the WTBS Inc., in 1993 -

*** jv 200 14 "They Are No Part of the World" *** (publ. 1993)

For some 35 years, Pastor Russell thought that the Great Pyramid of Gizeh was Gods stone witness, corroborating Biblical time periods. (Isa. 19:19) But Jehovahs Witnesses have abandoned the idea that an Egyptian pyramid has anything to do with true worship.

(See Watchtower issues of November 15 and December 1, 1928)

8°°°Incidentally, the same book " Proclaimers " , wrote ,

only 421 pages after , that brother C.T. Russell loyally adhered to God’s Word :

*** jv 621 28 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

It certainly could not be expected that God would use C. T. Russell if he did not loyally adhere to Gods Word. (Jer. 23:28; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17)

And :

"As Jehovahs Witnesses today review the work that he did, the things he taught, his reason for teaching them, and the outcome, they have no doubt that Charles Taze Russell was, indeed, used by God in a special way and at a significant time."

But of course not happy with the statement in 1993, after another 7 years the WTBS Inc. gave an entirely different picture , about the matter - in :

The Watchtower ' , January 1st 2000, pages 9-10 §§ 16-17 -

"Some Bible Studentsbecame engrossed with measuring different features of the pyramid to determine such matters as the day they would be going to heaven ! This so-called Bible in Stone was held in esteem for some decades , until the Watchtower issues of November 15th and December 1st, 1928, made clear that Jehovah needed no stone monument built by pagan pharaohs and containing demonic signs of astrology to confirm the witness given in the Bible. "

But let's continue, with the 'Bible Students' :

9°°°Taught false dates as if truly coming from God : 1874, 1878, 1881 , see the book “ Proclaimers”

*** jv 632 28 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his poweras heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of Gods special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.

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°°°10 From the year 1918, the Society started teaching and giving great expectations concerning the year 1925.

The starting point was on February 24th, 1918, with the discourse :

"The World Has Ended -- Millions Now Living Will Never Die" which was first delivered in Los Angeles, CA. ,by brother

J.F. Rutherford .

This was followed by another one , in March 31, in Boston ,MA.-"

("Jehovah's Witnesss in the Divine purpose " pages 76, 77, 93, 98, 104, 140 )

Many things were written in the 128- pages book "Millions Now Living Will Never Die " like the expectations

abouth the year 1925 .

'The Yearbook ' 1980 , page 62 :

The book Millions had been widely used in the French field since 1921 and on the basis of its contents, much was expectedof 1925. But when 1925 came and went without the anticipated happening coming to pass, those on the outside who had read the book made fun of the brothers. Worse still, the faith of some of the brothers themselves was shaken.

Some expected to go to heaven that year."

"Jehovah's Witnesss in the Divine purpose " page 140 :

"..the campaign Millions Now Living Will Never Die

from 1918 to 1921was a step in the direction of reaching this

class destined one day to populate the earth. "

: " The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence "

December 15 th , 1919 n 24 Vol. XL, page 373:

"The public seems eager to know something about the times in which we are living and the meaning of all these wonderful phenomena. It is a great comfort to the hearts of many people to hear the message , " Millions Now Living Will Never Die," which the Lord's people can confidently " announce , knowing that many of the generation now upon the earth shall not pass away bu live on until the Lord's Kingdom

is fully established . They have in mind the words of the Master that ' were not the days of tribulation shortened there would be no flesh saved , but that for the elect's sake much flesh will be saved'; and that thus these millions will be brought through the time of trouble and

have the opportunity of accepting the blessing of life under the terms of the New Covenant."

Furthermore,

The Bible Students were

11°°° Expecting the return of " ancient worthies" and preparing a place for them!

" The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence " December 15 th ,

1919 n 24 Vol. XL, page 374 :

"The Bethel Home is a spot dear to all the saints on earth. The name Bethel means the house of God. It was founded by that wise and faithful messengerof Laodicea, our dear Brother Russell, as the home from which the message

of truth was to be sent forth. In the autumn of 1918 it was dismantled and stood vacant for some time. Many a heart turned longingly toward Bethel, praying

that if it might be the Lord's will it would be restored , so that his people in this land

might have one place to which they could look as a temporary resting place in the earth.

The decoration throughout have been changed, symbolizing the incoming age. While most of the furniture is plain, yet comfortable, the drawing-room and the parlors have been neatly and comfortably urnished. Some might find occasion to criticize the expenditure of money in furnishing these, but it has been thought not improbable that the Lord would be pleased to preserve this place and in due time some of the ancient worthieswould find here an abiding spot."

12°°Publishing worldwide , since the year 1918 , a particular teaching , about the year 1925 :

,

*** jv 632 28 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

In the lecture Millions Now Living Will Never Die, delivered by J. F. Rutherford on March 21, 1920, at the Hippodrome in New York City, attention was directed to the year 1925. On what basis was it thought to be significant? In a booklet published in that same year, 1920, it was pointed out that if 70 fullJubilees were calculated ....

...after the last typical Jubilee before th eBabylonian exile and then counting to the beginning of the Jubilee year at the end of the 50th cycle), this could point to the year 1925.

On the basis of what was said there, many hoped that perhaps the remaining ones of the little flock would receive their heavenly reward by 1925.

This year also was associated with expectations for resurrection of faithful pre-Christian servants of God with a view to their serving on earth as princely representatives of the heavenly Kingdom.

If that really occurred, it would mean that mankind had entered an era in which death would cease to be master, and millions then living could have the hope of never dying off the earth.What a happy prospect! Though mistaken, they eagerly shared it with others. "

The 'Bible Students'

13 °°Used Masonic symbols like cross and crown :

*** jv 200 14 "They Are No Part of the World" ***

"For years, Bible Students wore a cross and crown as a

badge of identification, and this symbol was on the front

cover of the Watch Towerfrom 1891 to 1931.

But in 1928 it was emphasized that not a decorative symbol but ones activity as a witness showed he was a Christian. "

'The Watchtower ' January 1 st , 2000 page 9 § 15:

For example , in the 1920s many Bible Students wore a pin

featuring a cross-and-crown emblem, and they celebrated

Christmas and other pagan holidays.

The Bible Students 14 °°Used of "The Ancient Egyptian Winged Sun Disk Symbol" on the book "Finished mistery " published from the year 1917;

(see below the front cover of the book)

(I do apologize if the picture of the front cover, will not appear)

The Bible Students

15°°Taught and believed that brother C.T. Russell was he "faithful and discreet slave" :

"Jehovah's Witnesss in the Divine purpose " page 95

"Some insisted on living on the past, in the time of Pastor Russell, when the brothers in generalhad viewed him as the sole channel of Scriptural enlightenment. It was the published and accepted thought down till 1927that he was that servant

of Matthew 24 :45. (footnote : w. 1927, pp.55,56)

and

*** jvchap.10p.143GrowinginAccurateKnowledgeoftheTruth*** (1993)

Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant .(*) The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. The understanding expressed by Brother Russell in 1881 that the faithful and wise servant was in reality a collective servant, made up of all the members of the spirit-anointed body of Christ on earth, was reaffirmed in TheWatchTower of February 15, 1927.—Compare Isaiah 43:10.

(*) Sadly, it was only a short time after this that she parted from him because of her own desire for personal prominence.

and also :

*** jv 626 28 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

Clearing up the Identity of the Faithful and Wise Servant

Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the faithful and wise servant foretold by Jesusat Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. In view of the prominent role that Brother Russell had played, it appeared to the Bible Students of that time that this was the case.

He did not personally promote the idea, but he did acknowledge the apparent reasonableness of the arguments of those who favored it. He also emphasized, however, that whoever the Lord might use in such a role must be humble as well as zealous to bring glory to the Master, and that if the one chosen by the Lord failed, he would be replaced by another.

In 1881, Brother Russell himself had expressed the view that that servant was made up of the entire body of faithful spirit-anointed Christians. He saw it as being a collective servant, a class of persons who were united in doing Gods will. (Compare Isaiah 43:10.) This understanding was reaffirmed by the Bible Students in 1927.

Jehovahs Witnesses today recognize the Watchtower magazine and kindred publications to be the ones used by the faithful and discreet slave to dispense spiritual food. They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things.

Thr Bible Students

16°°°Taught and believed that C.T.Russell ,who died in 1916, was granted he privilege.to exercise some strong influence - even after his death - n the Harvest work.:

" The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence " November 1 st , 1917 page 325 :

"Hence our dear Pastor, now in glory, is without doubt, manifesting a keen interest in the Harvest work, and is permitted by the Lord to exercise some strong influence thereupon. (Revelation 14:17) It is not unreasonable to conclude that he has been privileged to do, in connection with the Harvest work, things which he could not do while with us. Although we recognize that the Lord is the great Master and Director of the Harvest, yet we recognize that He would privilege the saints beyond the veil to have a part in the work on this side; and thus all the saints, both in Heaven and upon earth, are now given the honor of concluding the work on this side, preparatory to the full establishment of the Kingdom of Glory."

Btw this kind of teaching was confirmed, without specific names, and applied to the all the resurrected anointed, in the year 1988, see the book :

"Revelation It's Grand Climax At Hand! " page 125

(published in 1988 by the WTBS Inc. and revised in the year 2006 …still not changed as par October 2012)

"And in response one of the elders said to me: 'These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?' So right away I said to him: 'My lord, you are the one that knows.'" (Revelation 7:13, 14a) Yes, that elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today."

In conclusion , how is it possible in view of the conditions of the Bible Students, the type of non-biblical teaching promoted world wide together with the many inaccuracy and false doctrines , that Jehovah God and Jesus Christ selected THEM as

“an aporoved, loyal, faithful and discreet slave” ?

All the facts, givn above, prove that such understanding, teaching, doctrine, explanation, view point, is not in harmony with Bible teaching.

That’s all for the moment.

Greetings ,

J.C. MacHislopp

P.S The 3 rd part will follow shortly.

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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

A few lines for those who commented.

AnnOMaly I do agree with you. Many thanks for the extra two quotes,. Quite a few times the Society admitted that they realized or “ first discerned “ the time of the inspection at least 3 years after the event i.e. 1922

Even as as late as 69 years after the event, the Society admitted: that:

* w876/15pp.14-15ATimeofTestingandSifting***

Modern-Day Fulfillment

18As early as 1922, Jehovah’s people were made aware that they were in a time of judgment in fulfillment of Malachi’s prophecy. TheWatchtower of September 1 said: “But Malachi’s prophecy looks beyond the partial fulfillment at our Lord’s first advent, and forward to the time when Messiah should come in glory and strength, and when he should judge amongst his people . . . Now, once again, the time of judgment has come; again his professed people are tried as by fire, and the true-hearted sons of Levi are being gathered together for service.”

Mickey mouse thanks for your appreciation!

Data-DOG

Yes, under old light it was wrong, and under new light it's wronger

I do agree with you. This is the point I’m trying to make.

Breakfast of champions and DATA-DOG …

A good question indeed. Imho that’s what happens when

men ideas, opinion are given as coming from God and/or Jesus Christ.

Normally we would call “ paper trail” but scripturally speaking

we could use Jesus Christ ‘s words:

Matthew12: 37

"for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Data-DOG

Yes, under old light it was wrong, and under new light it's wronger

I do agree with you. This is the point I’m trying to make. For this reason

sometimes it is important to show many pertinent examples (quotes) from the

Society’s own publications.

Greetings to all,

J.C. MacHislopp

P.S The other part is almost ready.

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New Governing Body Member: Hugo Riemer - More WT Revisionist History

by 00DAD in

as part of the wt's recent push to get the r&f "to study and recount the history of the earthly part of jehovahs organization" there is a curious article in the from our archives featurette of the august 15th, 2012 watchtower.

it offers a highly sanitized version of early jw history.

but what is particularly strange is this revisionist history re-categorizing of an early bible student/jw, one hugo riemer.

MacHislopp

Hello Quendi,

I thought I gave enough evidence to demonstate what you asked for in the second part of my answer.

Greetings,

J.C. MacHislopp

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WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello AnnOMaly,

thanks for you comment. I'll check the reference you have given in my database and I'll come back on it.

Greetings,

J.C. MacHislopp

38

WTBS INC Annual meeting i.e. food for thoughts.

by MacHislopp in

following recent posts, articles, blogs (thanks cedar and others for their excellent work) i would like to contribute something, to show the hypocrisy and the constant doctrinal changes of the society.. .

to begin:.

qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156 par.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

As p^romised I’m contionue the topic providing information, statements and references. I’ll deal with it by parts and the following is part one:

“The Inspection”

To start an interesting reminder

*** w99 3/15 12 Pay Constant Attention to Your Teaching ***

Learn to do careful research. By learning to trace all things with accuracy, you can avoid exaggerations and inaccuracies when youteach.Luke 1:3.

***Statement to be proved:

.1***

The Slave Class was only appointed for the first time by Christ in 1919.

From (GB ) speaker Guy Pearce - October 6 th 2012 -

Now comes the question: in which year?

Should we accept from thhe Society this one?

*** w72 2/1 79 Fully Accepting the Challenge of Jehovah's Service ***

The Naomi remnant came into a condition like that, particularly in the year 1918,when they were, in a sense, exiled from Jehovah Gods favor. In that year Jehovah God came to his temple suddenly, accompanied by the messenger of the covenant, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Or this one?

*** ka 351 17 The "Slave" Who Lived to See the "Sign" ***

Did he find that body of Christian slaves disregarding the unpopularity of the world and seeking to be pleasing to their Master by doing what he had appointed to be done during his absence? He must have found them so, according to the way the inspection, begun in 1919, has affected his decision since. His actions, his dealings with his Christian slaves, speak louder than words.

Or this one?

*** yb75 88 United States of America (Part One)

Jehovah and his messenger of the covenant, Jesus Christ, came to inspect the spiritual temple in 1918 C.E. Judgment then began with the house of God and a period of refining and cleansing commenced. (Mal. 3:1-3; 1 Pet. 4:17)

Or this one ?

*** w83 9/15 19-20 "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" ***

Since the master found the remaining ones of this body faithfully and discreetly giving out food supplies when he arrived for inspection in 1919,he appointed them over all his belongings. (Luke 12:42-44)

Or this one?

*** re 31 6 Unlocking a Sacred Secret * (pub. 1988)**

Thus, when the Lords day dawned in October 1914, there were still true Christians on earth. (Revelation 1:10) It appears that Jehovah came to his spiritual temple for judgment about three and a half years later, in 1918, accompanied by Jesus as his messenger of the covenant. (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 13:47-50)

Or to keep everyone happy this one?

*** w043/1p.17par.19‘TheFaithfulSlave’PassestheTest!

19 Of course, the majority of those who were to become Christ’s anointed slaves during the time of the end were not yet serving Jehovah when Jesus began his inspection in 1918. Did they miss out on the inspection? Not at all. The inspection process only began in 1918/19 when the faithful and discreet slave as a classpassed the test. Individual anointed Christians continue under inspection until their sealing is made permanent. (Revelation 7:1-3)

After all the Society i.e. the “ Governing Body” should know? Since they claimed this:

*** w60 7/15 444

Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ***

At the 1958 Divine Will International Assembly amazing advance information in connection with Daniel’s prophecy was given about events to occur in the immediate future. Such evidence of spiritual foresight is recorded for us in the book “Your Will Be Done on Earth.” Once again the “faithful and discreet slave” has been tipped off ahead of time for the guidance of all lovers of God"

Oh, I’m sorry because 38 years later the Society i.e. the

“Governing Body” wrote the following:

*** w 98 9/15 10 Times and Seasons in Jehovah's Hands ***

3 Two things can be deduced from the way Jesus answered questions relating to when things would occur in fulfillment of God’s purpose.

First, that Jehovah has a timetable; and second, that he alone fixes it, and his servants cannot expect to be given precise advance informationof his times or seasons."

As a matter of fact , how can you believe about “ Jesus Christ’s inspection” when those inspected wrote 12 years after the “ inspection” :

LIGHT, Vol. 1 (1930) chapt. VI page 187 by

J.F. Rutherford

Such affords an opportunity for the child of God to show his willingness to obey and follow whithersoever the Lord leads.

It was in 1922 that the people of God first had an understanding that the Lord had come to his temple in 1918. The Lord Jesus, the great Judge, is the One

And it was not a misteke in writing because those “ inspected” wrote again about that event in the year 1933, 15 years after the “ inspection” :

This corresponds to the condition amongst God’s people from

1918 to 1922, probably before the general convention of the latter year at Cedar Point, Ohio. It was when the Lord’s covenant people saw that Christ the great Inspector General had come to the temple that they cried out:“Save now, I beseech thee, 0 Lord: 0 Lord, I beseeeh thee, send now prosperity.” (Ps. 118: 25) It was in 1922 that God’s covenant people became aware of their own negligence in connection with the building of the antitypical temple. It was then that the Lord spoke words of comfort to them and they rejoiced, sceing that Jehovah’s anger had turned away from them.(Isa. 12: 1-4; 61: 1-3)

The Watchtower August 31 st 1933 pages 231-232 par. 25th

And wrote again about that event in the year 1943 , i.e. 25 years after the “ inspection” :

‘The truth shall make you free’ ’ 1943, page 302)

”…the major fulfillment of Malachi’s prophecy fixes the spring of A.D. 1918 as the time when the King Christ Jesus came to the temple.

… Christ’s coming to the temple in 1918 was entirely unexpected, even to his devoted faithful followers. The truth of his coming then was first discerned by the Scriptures and by the fulfillments of prophecy after the event, namely , first in 1922.”

It understandable that on such Orwellian basis, one cannot accept the “inspection” event as a real event.

That’all for now. Any comment is welcome

Greetings, J.C. MachHislopp

PS Part two will follow shortly.