Posts by MacHislopp

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Real Estate Business?

by no-zombie in

i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

its down sizing by selling the furniture.

MacHislopp

Hello again,

I've just receiced an e-mail requesting a recent example:

here below the information:

WTBS Inc New York (USA) propertysale

See :

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?ll=40.698677%2C73.991238&spn=0.008069%2C0.010884&hl=en&t=m&oe=UTF8&ctz=240&vpsrc=1&msa=0&source=embed&ie=UTF8&mid=zQLYvPNWTaco.kk6imoMeJNAY)

105 Willow St

117 Adams St

107 Columbia Heights

119 Columbia Heights

124 Columbia Heights

161 Columbia Heights

165 Columbia Heights

183 Columbia Heights

25 Columbia Heights

97 Columbia Heights

30 Columbia Heights

58 Columbia Heights

173 Front St

177 Front St

175 Pearl St

200 Water St

34 Orange St

50 Orange St

55 Furman St

1 York St

69 Adams St

81 Prospect St

67 Furman St

67 Remsen St

75 Adams St

86 Willow St

76 Willow St

21 Clark St

80 Willow St

85 Jay St

90 Sands St

98 Montague St

77 Sands St

And

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The Society of UK , buys

£ 1.000.000 luxury sea-front property in Wales, UK

· The WTS has purchased a luxury sea-front property in Wales allegedly to be used for people working on translating publications into the Welsh language.

Property description

Superbly positioned above The Menai Strait with direct water access, Y Gwylain has been impressively developed to a high standard by the present owner and is highly recommended for an internal viewing. The property comprises of entrance hallway, reception hallway, impressive open plan 'live in kitchen/family room', lounge, sitting room, games room, 2 studies, utility, cloakroom, shower room, 5 double bedrooms, four en-suites and a family bathroom. The property benefits from having gas central heating, double glazing, garage, established landscaped gardens with decked areas and pond. The property enjoys fantastic sea view of The Menai Strait, The Menai Suspension Bridge and across to Anglesey.

5 Bedrooms
Lounge
Kitchen
Utility Room
Shower Room
Sitting Room
Office
Games Room
Second Office
En-Suite
Family Bathroom
En-Suite
En-Suite
Store Room

ground floor

Entrance Hallway Hardwood door with double glazed side panel, high pitched ceiling with double glazed Velux window, three wall light points, meter cupboard, cloaks cupboard, oak doors, Travertine flooring with underfloor heating and glazed doors leading to:

Reception Hallway 13'9" (4.2m) x 24'7" (7.5m) max (9'2" (2.8m) min). Open spindled staircase to the first and second floors and oak glazed doors leading to lounge.

Lounge 18'4" x 20'4" (5.59m x 6.2m). Cast iron multi fuel burner on a raised slate hearth, six wall light points, television aerial point, engineered oak flooring, radiator, vaulted ceiling, double glazed patio doors and double glazed windows to the rear and side from which there are views across the extensive rear garden and Menai Straits to the Isle of Anglesey.

Kitchen 32'10" x 17'9" (10m x 5.4m). Open plan living kitchen and family room. Kitchen Area - There is a range of drawer and base units in a cherry finish with dark stone style block end worksurfaces over, island unit with breakfast bar, inset five ring induction hob with splashback and extractor above, inset one and a half bowl sink unit with mixer tap, integral dishwasher, integral fridge, Travertine flooring with underfloor heating, double glazed patio doors leading to the rear garden, two wall light points and recessed halogen downlighters. Living Area - High pitched ceiling with halogen downlighters, Travertine flooring with underfloor heating, two wall light points, additional patio doors leading to the garden, oak glazed door leading to the utility room and panoramic views of Menai Straits including The Menai Bridge and The Britannia Bridge.

Utility Room Range of drawer and base units with roll top worksurfaces over, single drainer sink unit with mixer tap with storage cupboard below, plumbing for washing machine, space for fridge and freezer, double glazed door leading to the rear garden, Travertine flooring with underfloor heating and high pitched ceiling with halogen downlighters.

Shower Room Modern white suite comprising corner glazed shower cubicle with mixer shower, low flush WC and pedestal wash hand basin with mixer tap, ceramic tiling up to a mosaic border, halogen downlighters, extractor fan, heated towel rail and Travertine flooring.

Sitting Room 19' x 10'10" (5.8m x 3.3m). Double glazed patio doors leading to the rear garden, radiator, engineered oak flooring, television aerial point and door to:

Office 9'10" x 17'9" (3m x 5.4m). Double glazed picture window with views across the decked garden to Menai Straits, double glazed patio doors leading to the side garden, telephone point, radiator and engineered oak flooring.

Games Room 22' x 20' (6.7m x 6.1m). Double glazed window and patio doors leading to the rear garden, six wall light points, three halogen downlighters, central lighting unit fitted for pool table, two radiators, laminate flooring, understairs storage cupboard, door to the second staircase and oak panel door to:

Second Office 7'3"x 5'3" (2.2mx 1.6m). Double glazed window, fitted work station and radiator.

First floor

Gallaried Landing Open spindle blaustrade, stairs leading to the second floor, four wall light points, radiator, airing cupboard and oak panel door leading to the master bedroom.

Master Bedroom 20'4" x 18'8" (6.2m x 5.7m). Floor to ceiling double glazed windows with patio doors leading to the raised decked balcony with balustrade and has views across to The Menai Strait and Isle of Anglesey, two radiators, fitted wardrobes incorporating four double wardrobes, three wall light points and oak panel door leading to:

En-Suite Modern white suite comprising hand wash basin with mixer tap, low flush WC and walk in shower cubicle with mixer shower and fitted body jets, heated towel rail, recessed halogen downlighters, extractor fan and ceramic tiled flooring.

Bedroom Two

Family Bathroom Modern white suite comprising hand wash basin with mixer tap, ceramic tiled bath with shower tap attachment and low flush WC, shaver point with fitted mirror lighting unit, walk in shower cubicle with shelf, heated towel rail, ceramic tiled to a mosaic border, ceramic tiled flooring, double glazed window, recessed halogen downlighters, extractor fan and built in linen cupboard with radiator.

Bedroom Three 14'1" x 11'2" (4.3m x 3.4m). Radiator, double glazed patio doors overlooking the rear garden and has access to a raised decked balcony area.

Rear Inner Hallway Stairs to the games room and door to:

Bedroom Four 17'5" x 19'4" (5.3m x 5.9m). Floor to ceiling double glazed windows and double glazed patio doors leading to the rear decked garden, sea views and views to The Menai Strait, radiator and oak panel door leading to:

En-Suite Modern white suite comprising low flush WC, pedestal wash hand basin with mixer tap, fitted lighting mirror unit, shaver point, walk in mosaic tiled shower cubicle, ceramic tiled to a mosaic border, recessed halogen downlighters, heated towel rail, extractor fan, double glazed window and Travertine tiled flooring.

Second floor

Landing Double glazed roof window with sea views and views to The Menai Strait and Isle of Anglesey, radiator, light point, open spindle balustrade and doors to:

Bedroom Five 16'9" (5.1m) x 18'8" (5.7m) (limited headroom). Double glazed Velux windows to the front and rear, to the front there are sea views and views to The Menai Strait and Isle of Anglesey, two radiators and oak panel door to:

En-Suite Glazed corner walk in shower cubicle with mixer shower, vanity hand wash basin with storage cupboard below, fitted lighting mirror unit, ceramic tiled splashbacks, integral WC, double glazed Velux window, heated towel rail, extractor fan and Travertine tiled flooring.

Store Room 31'6" x 12'2" (9.6m x 3.7m). Double glazed Velux window.

Link:

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/y-gwylain/holyhead-road/bangor/ll57-2hq/31536032

Greetings ,

JC MacHislopp

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Real Estate Business?

by no-zombie in

i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

its down sizing by selling the furniture.

MacHislopp

Hello no-zombie,

on the same subject take a look at what the WTBS Inc New York

was doing more than a decade ago...it a very long reading but full of informations.

filed and saved , in case you should wish more informations!

Here is the old post:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/53692/wtbs-financial-empire-tip-iceberg

Greetings ,

J.C. MacHislopp

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God’teachings or men’s personal opinions and interpretations ?

by MacHislopp in

before addressing the topic, i would like you to keep in mind the following statement coming from the society’s governing body:

· 'the golden age' january 18th, 1933 page 252.

· "if the message the jehovah's witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind.

MacHislopp

Hello again,

Thanks to all of you for the comments.

DATA-DOG I’ve been away and also not too well.

Heaven: I do agree with you.

FastJehu: Thanks for the quote. I had in my data but you posted faster.

Blondie: A special greeting to you. A great gain to this board ..and others.

I do hope that everything is fine with you.

Back to the topic. I'm adding these few quotes to reinforce the point:***

i.e.

The Society’s Governing Body divulgates just men’s ideas, teaching, doctrines and personal viewpoints.-

A)

*** w52 4/15 p. 253 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

“ Jehovah’s witnesses themselves are not nor can they be interpreters of prophecies. But as fast as the “superior authorities” Jehovah and Christ Jesus reveal the interpretations through their provided channel that fast do God’s people publish them the world over to strengthen the faith of all lovers of righteousness.”

B)

w54 10/15 pp. 638-639 Questions from Readers

.°It is this organization that is enjoying that fulfillment and it is through this organization that Jehovah sends further light and spiritual food that rectifies any erroneous conceptions previously entertained, as well as adding to the rich storehouse of spiritual food available for those devoted to him and willing to exert themselves in his service by telling it to others.”

C)

*** w57 6/15 p. 370 Overseers of Jehovah’s People ***

7 Let us now unmistakably identify Jehovah’s channel of communication for our day, that we may continue in his favor. Listen to the inspired answer to the situation, in Matthew 24:45-47 (NW): …..It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.”

D)

w64 5/1 p. 277 Building a Firm Foundation in Christ ***

“ It is through the columns of The Watchtower that Jehovah provides direction and constant Scriptural counsel to his people, and it requires careful study and attention to details in order to apply this information, to get a full understanding of the principles involved, and to assure ourselves of right thinking on these matters.”

E)

*** w88 3/1 p. 17 My Life in Jehovah’s Spirit-Directed Organization ***

“ Jehovah is simultaneously feeding all his people spiritually through The Watchtower and other Biblical publications.”

F)

*** w01 8/1 p. 14 Make Your Advancement Manifest ***

“Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

Then like a magician performance, the Society’s Governing Body takes out of his symbolic “spiritual” hat this claim/teaching (which looks more like a disclaimer) :

THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

“WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

As a result again ” Jehovah and Christ Jesus ” disappear from the scene!!!

Greetings to all of you,

· JC MacHislopp

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·" Nescit vox missa reverti"( Horatius, ars poetica, 390)

(A word, once spoken, cannot be recalled back )

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Another "pull the football away just before you can kick it" comment made by Circuit Assembly's special guest, Thomas Chicky

by sir82 in

jw
friends

i started a thread on this guy's comments about building kingdom halls here.. the guy also said this (again, not a word for word quote, but the gist of his comments):.

"the primary hope of salvation is the resurrection.

jehovah does not promise anyone that he will survive armageddon.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks for the excellent information. I'll use it very soon!

Sparky 1 I do agree with you ...very sad indeed as you nailed it:

"He has to delude himself in order to silence his nagging doubts and inner voices. I hate what this religion does to normal human beings. "

Very truthfull words indeed. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Greetings to you all,

JC MacHislopp

" Nescit vox missa reverti" ( Horatius, ars poetica, 390)

(A word, once spoken, cannot be recalled back)

or (Matthew 12:37) 37 for by your words you will be declared righteous,

and by your words you will be condemned.”

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God’teachings or men’s personal opinions and interpretations ?

by MacHislopp in

before addressing the topic, i would like you to keep in mind the following statement coming from the society’s governing body:

· 'the golden age' january 18th, 1933 page 252.

· "if the message the jehovah's witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

before addressing the topic, I would like you to keep in mind the following statement coming from the Society’s Governing Body:

·

· 'The Golden Age' January 18th, 1933 page 252

· "If the message the Jehovah's Witnesses are bringing to the people is true, then it is of greatest importance to mankind. If it is false, then it is the duty of the clergymen and others who support them to come boldly forward and plainly tell the people wherein the message is false

Then pay attention to following 3 claims, also taught and published by the Society’s Governing Body:

1st claim 1960 56 years ago!

· *w60 7/15 442

· Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ***

KEEPING AWAKE

13 …

The members of this anointed group are years ahead in maturity, Biblical knowledge, theocratic experience and vision of Jehovah’s purpose and divine will.

There are several things one can do to stay awake and abreast. First, one should keep up with the “food at the proper time” supplied through God’s proved channel and published by the Watch Tower Society.

2nd claim :

· w60 7/15 441

· Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave"

·

Note the “river” here is described as going eastward, in the direction of greater light, apparently signifying that the Society’s publications of truth would be progressing in the light of truth as the years advanced after 1919.

3rd claim :

· *** w90 12/15 p. 26 ?Seeking Delightful Words, Correct Words? ***

For over a century, delightful, correct words of truth covering every aspect of life have been presented in the Watch Tower Society’s publications and widely distributed in many languages.

Now let us see some examples of the “printed” and “taught” facts from the Society’s Governing Body official teachings and our inquisitive minds should always be ready to ask a question.

I*** 1952 64 years ago!

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· ***w52 4/15 p. 253 Aids for Understanding Prophecy ***

“ Jehovah’s witnesses themselves are not nor can they be interpreters of prophecies. But as fast as the “superior authorities” Jehovah and Christ Jesus reveal the interpretations through their provided channel that fast do God’s people publish them the world over to strengthen the faith of all lovers of righteousness.”

II*** 2008 9 years ago:

The Watchtower , May 15th 2008 Study edition , page 29 par. 9

How the Governing Body Is Organized *)**)

The Head, Jesus Christ, supplies the body members with what is needed for good cooperation, coordination, and spiritual nourishment. (Eph. 4:15, 16; Col. 2:19) In such respects, the Governing Body is organized to take the lead as Jehovah directs them by holy spirit.

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III*** 2017 published October/November 2016

THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

“WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

: How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 64 years? Is not too … strange/weird that suddenly Jehovah God and Jesus Christ disappear from the…picture ??

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Let’s continue :

IV*** 1971 45 years ago

*** w71 12/15 p. 761 par. 2-3 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

This was evidently under the guidance of Jehovah’s invisible active force or holy spirit. Also, under the direction of the Head of the Christian congregation, Jesus Christ the Son of God.

True, the members of that governing body were not directly appointed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

IV*** 1983 33 years ago

***w83 9/15 pp. 19-20 "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" ***

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Since the "master" found the remaining ones of this body faithfully and discreetly giving out "food supplies" when he arrived for inspection in 1919, he appointed them "over all his belongings." (Luke 12:42-44)

VI*** 2013 3 years ago

*** w13 7/15 p. 22 Study Edition “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***

[Box on page 22]

DID YOU GET THE POINT?

“The faithful and discreet slave”: A small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Today, these anointed brothers make up the Governing Body

…….

“Appointed over his domestics”:

In 1919, Jesus selected capable anointed brothers to be his faithful and discreet slave

Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 45 years?

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Let’s try another time :

VII*** 1960 56 years ago

***w60 7/15 p. 436 The Awake “Faithful and Discreet Slave” ***

20 As we now know, this watchman class of the “faithful and discreet slave” was being cleansed for still greater watchman service in the turbulent years to follow their restoration in 1919. Previously , in the spring of 1918, Jehovah came to his temple of earthly Christian servants for inspection and cleansing. (Mal. 3:1-3)

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VIII*** 1983 33 years ago

***w83 9/15 pp. 19-20 "One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism" ***

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Since the "master" found the remaining ones of this body faithfully and discreetly giving out "food supplies" when he arrived for inspection in 1919, he appointed them "over all his belongings." (Luke 12:42-44)

Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

How can anyone reconcile the above 2 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 23 years?

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Still another example :

IX*** 1972 44 years ago

*** w72 2/1 79 Fully Accepting the Challenge of Jehovah's Service

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JEHOVAH IS DISPLEASED WITH HIS WOMAN

The Naomi remnant came into a condition like that, particularly in the year 1918, when they were, in a sense, exiled from Jehovah God's favor. In that year Jehovah God came to his temple suddenly, accompanied by the messenger of the covenant, the Lord Jesus Christ.

He examined the remnant here upon earth; he was displeased with them. (Mal. 3:1, 2) For a time they were not fully accepting the challenge of Jehovah's Kingdom service that had opened up to them.

X*** 1993 23 years ago

*** w93 5/1 17 Expanded Activities During Christ's Presence

6 From the time Christ's presence began and down to 1918, the slave class, despite unpopularity, persecution, and even some confusion, had been seeking to give timely food to the domestics. This is what the Master found when his inspection began. The Lord Jesus was pleased, and in 1919 he pronounced that faithful approved slave class happy.

What was the slave's delightful reward for doing what his Master had appointed him to do? A promotion! "

Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

How can anyone reconcile the above 2 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 21 years?

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Last example …for the moment::

XI*** 1995 21 years ago

· *** w95 8/1 17 Taught by Jehovah Down Till This Day

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13 Jehovah particularly teaches his people by means of a weekly study of the Bible, using The Watchtower as a teaching aid.

XII*** 2001 15 years ago

w01 8/1 p. 14 Make Your Advancement Manifest ***

“Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ,and “the faithful and discreet slave.”

XIII*** 23 years ago

THE WATCHTOWER, Study edition February 2017

page 26 par. 12 ( Study article for Sunday April 30th 2017)

Q. 2. Since the Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible, what questions arise?

“WHO REALLY IS THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?”

12 The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, theWatch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870.

Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45)

Q. Inquisitive minds would like to know :

How can anyone reconcile the above 3 teachings - published by the Society’s Governing Body - within a time period of 21 years?

I do hope that I have not bored you…J

Greetings to you all,

JC MacHislopp JJJ

· " Nescit vox missa reverti" ( Horatius, ars poetica, 390)

(A word, once spoken, cannot be recalled back)

or (Matthew 12:37) 37 for by your words you will be declared righteous,

and by your words you will be condemned.”

P.S. I’ve sent a copy to 6 elders (average experience 23 years)

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You Have Been Looking Forward to This for a Long TIme - October 2nd 1914

by steve2 in

picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.

suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.

he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!

MacHislopp

Hello Steve,

thanks for the excellent piece. Well written!

Most of us have " been looking forward to this for a long, long , long time".

Eventually we realized that never mind the "arrival" ...the train never left the station!!

Greetings to you all.

CH MacHislopp

P.S. For some of the "older" posters....I'm still recovering, slowly but steadily.

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2016-2-17-Destroy Previous S-77 Forms!

by Atlantis in

these numbers and letters:--gbr659967--are the only identifying markson this boe..the "informant" who sent it said:.

"this letter came through the congregation inbox and so hasn't got theusual identifying information.

the name of the file is probably thebest way to identify it.

MacHislopp

Hello Atlantis and all other friends

I’m sorry for the format but the information is below.

(Source : http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.lu/2011/05/s-77-and-s-79-disfellowshipping-and.html)

Greetings to all,

J.C. MacHislopp

PS Thanks for you excellent contributions !!!

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2015 Questions and Answers!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2015, questions and answers!.

.. these are some of the questions we have received and the answers to those questions.. .. 1. what happened a few months back when atlantis had to disappear.. .. answer: it wasn't so much that atlantis had to disappear.

it was that atlantis had to take a break due to a serious family situation.

MacHislopp

Hello Atlantis & Nevada& Petra

just a few words to express to both of you my gratitude and appreciation for your

extremely valuable contribution to this forum. Thanks you very much for all your precious

time and informations shared with all of us.

More personally I'm very touched by your family events and allow me to say the fact that you and your wife

are "still "like two teenagers " it is a very nice and delicate way to express what true love is!

I wish both of you, all the best despite your particular circumstances.

Greetings,

J.C. MacHislopp

P.S. Continua ad imparare la cucina italiana!

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Scrutinizing the teaching of Jesus Christ year 1874 vs 1914

by MacHislopp in

as the date of return of the lord jesus christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia.

what, then, about the parousia (presence) of christ?

so a.d. 1914 marks the time of christs invisible return in spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello again to everyone,

Nicolau, many thanks or your greetings.

Phizzy

“There are a number of things that the WT/JW's taught in error for many years”

Really so, ..it is offensive to the human intellect!

tim3l0rd Thanks for your comments.

I would like to add :

· 11 Upon recognizing that Christ’s presence began in 1914, Jesus’ followers rightlyprepared for a possible early arrival of the end.

· The Watchtower August 15th , 2015 page 16.par 11

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Since the proven facts show that that Pastor C.T. Russell and all the Bible Students for decades prepared themselves and taught to the world the the END would come in the year 1914, imho to mask,and to make less obvious the truth of past events, the Society’s Governing Body preferred to phrase themselves in a truly ambiguous way.

Cha Cing

Thanks for you appreciative comment.

I do understand you. It is all ever-changing and confusing .

To search you also need time, tools, patience and a motivation

(for example exposing incorrect, unscriptural claims , lies etc, etc).

NVR2L8 , ZOOS and leaving- quietly Thanks for your greetings

blondie Many thanks for your concern. As I wrote I’m getting better. I also missed your comments and not participating more to the board, which has expanded greatly and acquired so many new….posters and their keen observations and providing also vital …inside informations.(a thousands thanks to Atlantis & Co) By the way again to I do like you new avatar…It makes you look better!

Greetings to all

JC MacHislopp

*** Awake ! August 22nd 1984 page 28 From Our Readers ***

“…claims to be the way of salvation … .Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism.”

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Scrutinizing the teaching of Jesus Christ year 1874 vs 1914

by MacHislopp in

as the date of return of the lord jesus christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia.

what, then, about the parousia (presence) of christ?

so a.d. 1914 marks the time of christs invisible return in spirit.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

As some of the older posters will remember me, will know that I’been absent from the board for a long time. I was sick for a long time and now I’m slowly recovering.

I’ve been reading the posts for the last few days now and I do like them, as in the past.

I would like to share with you an e-mail that I sent to a friend who was challenging me to prove a mistake or wrong statement in the rather recent Society’s publication.

I took advantage of a post written here (!) to prepare the email.

Here below what I’ve sent the other evening

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Dear Jonathan,

Following your challenge, I would like to show you briefly

what I did tell you personally concerning the incorrect/false

claims made by the Society’ Governing Body.

The subject is

Scrutinizing the teaching of Jesus Christ

presence year 1874 vs year 1914

QUOTE:

· *** g84 8/22 p. 28 From Our Readers ***

You all loved it, didn’t you? You couldn’t resist taking a shot at the Catholic Church, could you? I will never forgive the way you mercilessly tore down the Pope. If Jehovah’s Witnesses must refer to cheap shots in attempting to bring down other religions, they’re in more trouble than the Catholics.

M. C., Florida

We surely were not trying to take cheap shots at the pope or the Catholic Church, nor were we criticizing Catholics. The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people.Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism. All who criticize have the obligation to be truthful in presenting the facts and fair and objective in assessing such. In both respects we try to live up to that obligation’ED.

End of Quote _

With the above premise, allow me to give you an example based on a recent Society’s publication:

Quote :

11 Upon recognizing that Christ’s presence began in 1914, Jesus’ followers rightly prepared for a possible early arrival of the end. They did so by intensifying their Kingdom-preaching work. Jesus indicated that he might come later—“at dawn or early in the morning.” If that happened, how were his followers to respond? He said: “Keep on the watch.” So a long wait would not justify mentally postponing the end or totally dismissing their expectations.

From The Watchtower August 15th , 2015 pag 16. par 11

Study article schheduled for Sunday , October 11th 2015

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Q. When did the Society’s Governing Body recognize that the presence began in the year 1914? The facts

The answer is provided by a Society’s publication published 42 years ago , a book called .

“God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached”

*** ka *(1973 edition)

Let’s see on page 208 par.55:

*** ka chap. 11 pp. 209-210 par. 55 “Here Is the Bridegroom!” ***

55 In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book “The Truth Shall Make You Free.” In its chapter 11, entitled “The Count of Time,” it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures.

This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man’s existence into the decade of the 1970’s. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia. The millennium that was to be marked by the detaining of Satan the Devil enchained in the abyss and by the reign of the 144,000 joint heirs with Christ in heavenly glory was therefore yet in the future.

What, then, about the parousia (presence) of Christ? Page 324 of the above book positively says:

“The King’s presence or parousia began in 1914 .”

Also, in the Watchtower issue of July 15, 1949 (page 215, paragraph 22), the statement is made:

“ . . . Messiah, the Son of man, came into Kingdom power A.D. 1914 and . . . this constitutes his second coming and the beginning of his second parousía or presence.”

Q. 55. (a) When and how was the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges done away with, so that 6,000 years of man’s existence ended when?

(b) How did this affect the date 1874 C.E., and what question arose?

and

56 In the year 1950, there was published the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, with the most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and translating pa·rou·siʹa every time as “presence.”

Immediately afterward appeared the book “This Means Everlasting Life.” Its chapter 21 was entitled “Second Presence of Life’s Chief Agent.”

Here was a whole chapter on the subject according to the straight Bible timetable. On pages 220-222, we read:

The evidence already considered proves that A.D. 1914 God’s kingdom was born and his Son was enthroned with authority to rule with an iron rod amid his foes. Eventually he will dash them to pieces and rid the universe of all fighters against God’s rightful sovereignty.—Psalm 2:8, 9.

So A.D. 1914 marks the time of Christ’s invisible return in spirit. . . . His coming into the Kingdom in 1914 marks the beginning of his second presence or pa·rou·siʹa. This Greek word means presence.

. . . Although invisible in spirit, his second presence is of such importance to people over all the earth that it must not be kept secret, and it will not be. . . . “For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence [pa·rou·siʹa] of the Son of man will be.”—Matthew 24:26, 27, NW.

Since 1914 the present Christ has been making the evidences of his second presence or pa·rou·siʹa manifest and understandable to men everywhere.

57 How harmonious with the inspired Scriptures it is, then, that Christ did not begin reigning forty years before the end of the Gentile Times in 1914!

Rather, he waited till then at his heavenly Father’s right hand to begin ruling in the midst of his earthly enemies, whom Jehovah places as a stool for his feet! (Psalm 110:1, 2; Hebrews 10:12, 13) Rightly, then, his royal presence or parousia began in that year. In the year 1919, as history proves, he caused the midnight cry to sound on earth and roused the sleeping “virgins” to the urgency of the situation. “Here is the bridegroom! Be on your way out to meet him.” That cry assured them of the heavenly Bridegroom’s presence. The “discreet” virgin class has since been on its way out to meet him. They are seen shining as luminaries in this benighted world. This in itself is an evidence that the promised presence of Christ is upon us. It is also an evidence that God’s kingdom by Christ of a thousand years has approached!

58 Fulfillment of the parable of the “ten virgins” is not all there is to the “sign” of the approach of that blessed millennial kingdom. We cannot, therefore, stop with this parable, but must go on to consider other features of that wondrous “sign.”

End of Quote

In conclusion it is very clear that the Society’s Governing Body admitted that it was not until the year 1943 that the Presence/Parousia from the year 1914 was adopted and taught as a the official teaching.