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  Worldlies Discuss "Stratton" & JW...

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  october 15 .

  and by the way, if you ask someone to leave your property and they don't, it doesn't matter if they're door-to-door types or burglars, you can have them arrested just for that.. and if you post your property "no tresspassing" and "no solicitors," you don't even have to deal with the initial intrusion.. posted by rushmc at 6:22 am pst on october 16 .

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  Edited-spaced for readabiity (too lazy to do such initially).

  One:

  This is from a separate DB, and it is not "chat".
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  News Article Re Drowned JWBoy's Funeral

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  silsbee says goodbye to ira clutter.

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  silsbee, dec. 29 - a light blue poster board at the head of the chapel displayed mementos of ira clutter's too-short life.

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  [quote]"Ira began to talk about Jehovah God from a very young age," said Caswell, who frequently referred to scripture during a 45-minute talk.[/b]

  Typical JW funeral a/k/a JW recruiting opportunity.

  The only personal info related is whatever can be somehow related as supporting the religion. The deceased's worth is weighed accordingly.

  I'll never attend another JW funeral talk, regardless of how close the family member.

  Despicable.
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  Request To Write Governing Body

  by silentlambs in

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  i am enclosing a copy of a recent letter that i sent to the governing body.

  the purpose of this letter is to establish clearly that our requests are simple and the purpose is to protect jw children.

  if you agree with the points stated i encourage you to print out a copy of this letter and write at the bottom:.

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  Bump this back up so 'ol far-sighted Bill maybe will see this thread that he started.
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  Accused Murderer/Fugitive Christian LONGO Is XJW

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  warrants sought against longo .

  hunt continues for former ypsilanti resident in connection to family's slaying.

  saturday, december 29, 2001. by tracy davis and chong w. pyen .

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  Warrants sought against Longo

  Hunt continues for former Ypsilanti resident in connection to family's slaying.

  Saturday, December 29, 2001

  By TRACY DAVIS and CHONG W. PYEN
  NEWS STAFF REPORTERS

  Oregon authorities issued warrants Friday against former Ypsilanti resident Christian Longo on four counts of murder in connection with the deaths of his wife and three children.

  Lincoln County District Attorney Bernice Barnett announced Friday that autopsy results led to the conclusion that Mary Jane Longo, 35, and her 2-year-old daughter Madison Longo were victims of "homicidal violence." Their bodies were found in an ocean bay Thursday.

  The couple's two other children, Zachary and Sadie, 5 and 3, were found dead in a nearby inlet last week. The Oregon Medical Examiner's Office had already ruled their deaths as homicides.

  Still missing in the increasingly deadly puzzle is husband and father Christian Longo, 27.

  Until Friday, he had been sought by authorities only as a witness. He was last seen in the San Francisco area Dec. 26, Barnett said.

  The Longos moved to the coastal city of Newport from Ypsilanti about three months ago, police said.

  Because Longo is believed to have crossed state lines, the Federal Bureau of Investigation also has obtained a federal fugitive warrant. An FBI statement said Longo should be considered an escape risk and armed and dangerous.

  The Longos were associated with an Ypsilanti-based group of Jehovah's Witnesses while they lived in town with their three children, said congregant Howard Seitz.

  But Christian Longo was "put out" about a year ago, Seitz said.

  "Anyone that doesn't do what the scriptures tell us can be put out," Seitz said, adding that Longo was asked to leave the organization because of mounting legal troubles.

  Longo, for whom a national law enforcement alert has now been issued, was wanted in Washtenaw County for a larceny and a probation violation. He was also more than $60,000 in debt, half of which is due to Wexford Homes in restitution for checks he allegedly forged, according to records and Wexford owners.

  Longo incorporated a construction cleanup business in February 2000 with partner Joel E. Foster after he had worked for a fireplace and spa installation business. He did good work, said Bill Collins, co-owner of Wexford.

  "I had him personally put a fireplace in my house," Collins said.

  Longo's business, Final Touch Construction Cleaning Inc., seemed to grow fast. Longo began to talk of contracts in other towns and states, Collins said. But then Wexford's accounting department noticed different colored checks with forged signatures made out to the company.

  In about four weeks, some $30,000 worth of checks for services never rendered showed up on the books. Then, said Collins, Longo stopped showing up.

  Longo was eventually ordered to pay restitution, but Collins said they haven't received it.

  Five creditors also have filed civil suits against Longo. And two small-claims suits against Final Touch were filed; one was disposed of in March, the other in July 2000.

  Longo and his family lived on Eileen Street in Ypsilanti's West Willow neighborhood until last spring, when they moved to Toledo and then Oregon. Why the family moved to Oregon remains unclear.

  The family's van, reported stolen in Ohio almost two years ago, was abandoned at an Oregon car dealership Dec. 19. A green Dodge Durango was stolen from the dealership that same day. Police said that is also the day they believe Zachary and Sadie were killed.

  The deaths have jolted people in the small cities where the bodies were found. Neighbors said Christian Longo lived alone in a condominium near the Embarcadero Resort in Newport, though they said he was visited by his children and wife.

  "It's just such a tragic, tragic thing," said a former neighbor and Ypsilanti resident. "Those innocent little babies. We would get a charge out of watching them play."
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  MORE On Transfused JW Newborn

  by MadApostate in

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  if this child survives, it should have an interesting life:.

  -reared by family who decided to let it die.. -reared in religion that said it should die.. -must preach against medical treatment to which it owes its' life.. bright future ahead!!!.

  baby gets transfusion despite objection.

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  If this child survives, it should have an interesting life:

  -Reared by family who decided to let it die.

  -Reared in religion that said it should die.

  -Must preach against medical treatment to which it owes its' life.

  BRIGHT FUTURE AHEAD!!!

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  Baby gets transfusion despite objection

  2001-12-29

  By Ken Raymond

  The Oklahoman

  An infant boy born almost three months premature received a potentially life-saving blood transfusion Thursday night over the objections of his parents, whose religious beliefs forbid certain medical techniques.

  He was in critical condition Friday.
  The boy, weighing 1 1/2 pounds after 25 weeks in the womb, was born earlier this week at OU Medical Center and was in "desperate need" of a transfusion, a hospital worker said.

  His parents, including his mother Mali Prougue, 20, would not approve the procedure because of their religious beliefs as followers of the Jehovah's Witness faith.

  Medical workers took the matter to the Oklahoma County district attorney's office, which secured a court order placing the child in the custody of the Oklahoma Department of Human Services.
  The boy received the transfusion between 6 and 8 p.m. Thursday.

  "The physicians and the hospital respect the rights of parents to make decisions for themselves regarding blood transfusions," hospital spokesman Allen Poston said, "but the baby doesn't have the ability to speak and to make those decisions for himself.

  "This has nothing to do with religious persecution ... but we have the obligation to take care of this baby to the best of our ability."

  Poston said the court order is not intended to separate the parents from their baby.

  "At no time has the family been restricted from being able to see their child," he said, "and we don't foresee that happening any time in the near future."

  Poston said the child would not have survived long enough to get the transfusion if not for recent advances in neonatal technology, including heated beds that prevent newborns from wasting energy generating body heat and drugs that keep the lungs from collapsing.

  "He's got a long way to go," Poston said.
  "He's got a lot of hurdles to cross over."
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  News Article Re Drowned JWBoy's Funeral

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  silsbee says goodbye to ira clutter.

  associated press .

  silsbee, dec. 29 - a light blue poster board at the head of the chapel displayed mementos of ira clutter's too-short life.

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  Silsbee says goodbye to Ira Clutter

  Associated Press

  SILSBEE, Dec. 29 - A light blue poster board at the head of the chapel displayed mementos of Ira Clutter's too-short life.
  Photographs chronicling his 6 years, bits of artwork, his perfect attendance ribbon from Robinson Elementary and even a diminutive dark blue clip-on tie were arranged in memory of Ira, who was mourned Saturday by an overflow crowd of more than 200 at the Farmer Funeral Home chapel.

  Ira's body was recovered from the bottom of Possum Kingdom Lake on Wednesday after a five-day search of the surrounding state park after the little southeast Texas boy wandered from his family during a hike.

  Ed Caswell, an elder with the Clutter family's Jehovah's Witness hall in Silsbee, was the only speaker during the memorial service. He said the Clutters often went camping, in part to show Ira and his four siblings the Earth that God provided.

  Caswell noted that Ira's faith was evident early on.

  "Ira began to talk about Jehovah God from a very young age," said Caswell, who frequently referred to scripture during a 45-minute talk.

  Hundreds of searchers combed the rough terrain and deep waters at Possum Kingdom State Park in the search for Ira, though hopes were dimmed quickly because of plunging temperatures last weekend.

  His father, Randy Clutter, believes Ira probably veered onto trail while they continued ahead in the 1,500-acre park, about 60 miles west of Fort Worth.

  Texas Parks and Wildlife Department spokeswoman Kristen Everett has said it appears Ira, who could not swim, fell into the lake from a large rock just outside the park's boundaries. He was found in 24 feet of water.

  A book in the funeral home was provided for mourners to share memories of Ira, and several passages described a happy, polite, faithful little boy.

  "He always had the biggest grins when we said we'd stop at Donut Palace," read one entry. "Jehovah is proud of that little minister."

  Randy Clutter, who along with his family shook hands with well-wishers arriving and departing the service, said faith has allowed him to deal with the tragedy and keep his family strong. Still, he said he's not immune to the pain and sense of loss.

  "I don't think I've ever wanted anything as badly as to be with my son," Clutter said.
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  MORE News Articles: JWs and Xmas

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  this reporter curiously had access to a number of jws.

  jw himself???.

  jehovah's witnesses reject many holidays and the notion that they are a dour group.

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  ANOTHER ARTICLE:
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  Santa's little helpers

  Jason Bergreen
  Dec 24 - By Jason Bergreen staff writer

  Santa Claus isn't the only person delivering gifts in Cache Valley this year. A team of agents from ERA Realty delivered thousands of dollars in food and gifts to six needy families Dec. 18.

  This is the seventh year the Logan-based real estate firm has assisted Mr. Claus.

  "We decided we would not have a party for Christmas," ERA Realty owner Kathleen Burnett said. "We would instead take money and we'd save it all year round. Then what we'd do is get a hold of the different people in town. We usually call the food bank and the people that deliver meals on wheels. We talk to different pastors and churches in the area and we get a list of about eight to 10 people. Some years there are more than others. We adopt these people for the Christmas holiday. We kind of get an idea of what they need and what some of their situations are."

  The gift boxes are stuffed full of hams, canned goods, fruits, cheese trays, gloves, blankets, lotions and other goods.

  "It's all brand new," Burnett said. "There's nothing used. If it's blankets, it's a brand new blanket. If it's slippers or robes, it's brand new. Groceries are naturally brand new."

  The gifts are delivered mostly to the elderly and needy families.
  "We have four committees," Burnett said. "The wrapping committee, the delivery committee, the committee to find the families and the shopping committee. They start working on this the first of November."

  The families chosen to receive gifts this year live in different parts of the valley, not just Logan. The families are from Preston, Providence, Paradise, Logan and Hyde Park.

  "We do it for people that need it," Burnett said. "If five need it then that's what we do. If 10 need it then that's what we do. Heaven help us if we have 20."
  
  Burnett told a funny story about one of last year's recipients.
  "Ann (Vanderkuyl, a secretary) delivered last year," Burnett said. "They walked up to this door with this huge box and it had Christmas wrapping all around it. And the little lady answered the door and she said, 'Oh dear,' she said, 'I'm Jehovah's Witness, we don't celebrate Christmas.' And Ann says, 'If I take all the wrapping paper off would you accept it?' She said, 'Yes.' So they stood there and took the wrapping paper off and gave her a bunch of goodies."

  The deliveries are a surprise for the recipients, Burnett said. Most people are shocked when the delivery committee shows up, some even cry.

  "We get thank you notes when they figure out who we are," Burnett said. "Those are nice, but we don't do it for the thank you cards. We just want to wish you a Merry Christmas."
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  Request To Write Governing Body

  by silentlambs in

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  i am enclosing a copy of a recent letter that i sent to the governing body.

  the purpose of this letter is to establish clearly that our requests are simple and the purpose is to protect jw children.

  if you agree with the points stated i encourage you to print out a copy of this letter and write at the bottom:.

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  Bill:

  Maybe when you get back home from doing doughnuts in the KH parking lot, you can tell us whether you have/are filing an AC Brief in Stratton, or whether you are assisting Abraham Cantor?

  I'm also curious why you have failed to post (either here or on your website) the WTS & Cong's Response in the Berry Case?

  I'm sure the Watchtower's response is evry bit as interesting as Berrys' original Complaint.

  Kinda being a little one-sided there aren't you hoss?

  I realize that those "elder habits" of deciding yourself what the peons can and can't see are hard to break, especially when the xjw elders aren't suggesting otherwise. I suppose you are on your own with this one. Will you move beyond both the jw and xjw elder mindset, or just jump from the frying pan into the fire?

  Appears that you traded your '74 Gremlin for a '74 Pacer. Nice move!
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  JW Chosen To Exemplify New Religious Tolerance

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  anyone know this jw yahoo, tommy fasano?

  is he "special"?

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  I'm somewhat surprised that readers aren't more outraged at the contents of this article???

  Anywooo, readers should be careful to distinguish between Yount's commentary and what he extracts from Wolfe's book.
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  ExBeth: What Is "JW Community Center"...

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  http://www.nyu.edu/projects/mias/religion98.html

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  . http://www.nyu.edu/projects/mias/religion98.html