Posts by MadApostate

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Ritsfield Victory!

by silentlambs in

hello everyone,.

i am bill's wife.he just called me from washington and told me to let you all know that erica won her case today!.

that sick child molesting bastard is in jail now as we speak.. his sentencing is set for september 24th i think.. one down many more to go.. thanks to all who have supported this cause.. sheila

As you point out, my post was directed at those who are gleefully
"casting stones" at the guilty party. As you further point out, You were not one of the stone throwers. Thus, why not take your own advice given further down in you post, AND STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION!!!

I am sickened how a certained group of females here try to paint anyone who fails to agree 100% with them as advocates of child molesters.

I am also sickened at the bloodlust of the same persons who fail to realize that there are more lives ruined/destroyed here than just Ericas. I fully support lifeterm incarceration of proven pedophiles, because that is what is bet for society. However, I DO NOT rejoice in the fact that a human life is reduced to that existence. I feel deep regret for any human that reaches that point. All of us are sum totals of our genetics and our formative environment, neither of which we had any control. When those factors combine to create a "Hitler", I consider it a great tragedy- obviously for those harmed by the villian, but for the villian also.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

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russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

Charles:

Here is my exact statement from above:

The "cause" is dissemination of
TRUTH about "the troooth".

The only "connection" (and it isn't technically a connection), between Russell and the Masons is that both had/have interests in the Egyptian Pyramids. Russell was one of the most prominent "pyramidologists", with other prominent "pyramidologists" (Morton Edgar) also being Watchtower Society Officers.

The Masons' history and ideology also include stuff about the Egyptian pyramids.

Since both groups have used Egyptian icons/symbols, some conspiratists have tried to say that Russell's source of such was the Masons, when in fact, the two groups are using the same source- Egyptology.
(END QUOTE)

I did not say that Masons are "pyramidologists". I said that RUSSELL was such. I then said that the common denominator between Russell and the Masons was that they both use Egyptian/Pyramid imagery/icons.

Then you say that there were no M-M Masons in Allegheny. What does that have to do with the commonality of Russell and Masons pulling imagery from the same source?

Then you say pyramids are not an "important" Masonic symbol. It doesn't matter whether they are "important" or not. What is significant is that Masons DO use pyramid imagery (as acknowledged in the link you posted.)

I am not an authority on Masons, but I do know that Washington, Franklin, and many other prominent early American politicians WERE Masons. Despite what that link says, the "eye" and the "pyramid" are used by Masons, even if not in the same combination as on the Great Seal. Why would a PYRAMID appear on government imagery? I guess because of all the American Pyramids that existed back in the 1700s. Definitely "Americana"!!!

What about the Wash Monument?

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

jw
friends

russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

Charles:

Exactly what is in my statement that is "untrue"?

If you are saying that American Masons have not used pyramid/Egyptian imagery, then you have never seen a US $1 note, the Wash Monument, etc., etc.

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What was your biggest pet peeve ?

by jurs in

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my biggest pet peeve was the " instant friends " theory.

i went to 3 different halls.

we moved around colorado.

MadApostate

Jurs:

Too many moons ago to remember the exact name, but the Aurora, CO Cong was the most unfriendly cong I ever was associated with!

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

jw
friends

russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

TJ:

Do you know who your biological Mother and Father are, CONCLUSIVELY?

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

jw
friends

russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

TJ:

I consider the "truth" about this and every other JW-related issue to be EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, because OBVIOUS HORSESHIT like "Russell was a Mason" only serves the WTS's objective of painting XJWs as NUTS and LIARS.

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

jw
friends

russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

After reading your last post, I see you are NOW misinterpreting Larc's comment regarding "negative comments by the Watchtower.

What Larc is indicating is that Russell spoke negatively about Masonry in the Watchtower several times over the years. Also, in the 1913 Convention Report, which is constantly misquoted by conspiratists, Russell flat out said he had never been a Mason.

GET IT! RUSSELL WAS NOT A MASON!!!

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Russell; an unoticed freemason ?

by chasson in

jw
friends

russell an unnoticed freemason ?.

according to the partisans of russell's membership of the freemasonry, the russells, father and son, would have been particularly important masons, proves by the fact that russell would have build an masonic organization to realize the claimed purpose of the the freemasonry: a plot to destroy christianity.. .

obviously in support of their thesis, these partisans do not bring any masonic document proving the membership of the father and the son to the masonry.

MadApostate

TJ:

Here is yesterday's exchange just for the record. Sorry that my comment about Chasson's research didn't indicate that he had not time-traveled back to the 1870s.

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The "cause" is dissemination of
TRUTH about "the troooth".

The only "connection" (and it isn't technically a connection), between Russell and the Masons is that both had/have interests in the Egyptian Pyramids. Russell was one of the most prominent "pyramidologists", with other prominent "pyramidologists" (Morton Edgar) also being Watchtower Society Officers.

The Masons' history and ideology also include stuff about the Egyptian pyramids.

Since both groups have used Egyptian icons/symbols, some conspiratists have tried to say that Russell's source of such was the Masons, when in fact, the two groups are using the same source- Egyptology.

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teejay
Master Member
Posts: 677
Since: Mar 1, 2001
Re: Judah Ben SchroederAug 18, 2001 12:05:39 PM

So... there's NO connection between Russell and the Masons (other than their similar history/interest in pyramidology)?

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MadApostate
Senior Member
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Posts: 162
Since: Jul 24, 2001
Re: Judah Ben SchroederAug 18, 2001 3:42:54 PM

TJ:

I'm not sure what you are asking??? Are you looking to argue semantics- ie the meaning of the word "connection"?

Who knows, Russell probably slept in a hotel owned by a Mason, traveled in a taxi driven by a Mason, wore a suit tailored by a Mason???

Other, than the common denominator of Egyptian icons/symbols used by both Russell and Masonry, I know of no other meaningful info.

Yesterday, there was a very good post by Chasson(?), who had researched Masonic history in the Pittsburgh area, and he uncovered nothing which would indicate Russell or his father were Masons. Take a look.

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teejay
Master Member
Posts: 677
Since: Mar 1, 2001
Re: Judah Ben SchroederAug 18, 2001 5:21:02 PM

MadApostate,

I'm not sure what you are asking??? Are you looking to argue semantics- ie the meaning of the word "connection"?

No, MA, I do not argue semantics.

I was under the impression that Russell may have been 'connected' with Masonry in the sense of having studied with or been a member of - , that's all. I got that impression from a cursory research on some of the exjw sites. I may have mentioned: I don't care either way, just curious. I know all *I* will ever need to know about Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, etal.
When you said, "Chasson had researched Masonic history in the Pittsburgh area and uncovered nothing which would indicate Russell or his father were Masons," that was all I needed to hear. That was the 'connection' I was asking about. As far as you know, Russell was never a Mason.

Thank you.
peace,
tj

133

BERRY LAWSUIT EVALUATED

by MadApostate in

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i would like to preface my discussion of the recently filed berry lawsuit with several remarks.

first, i am not an attorney, and my only connection with the legal profession is that which occasionally arises out of my personal or business affairs.

second, i have no access to court records, opinions, etc., other than what is available via internet search engines.

MadApostate

Hawkaw:

I am too stupid to understand your first question.

As for your second question, I've been unsuccessful in trying to get you to see that the NHSC said in Marquay v. Eno that there is no civil liability for not reporting. It's in the Opinion in plain English, which I can't improve on!

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Ritsfield Victory!

by silentlambs in

hello everyone,.

i am bill's wife.he just called me from washington and told me to let you all know that erica won her case today!.

that sick child molesting bastard is in jail now as we speak.. his sentencing is set for september 24th i think.. one down many more to go.. thanks to all who have supported this cause.. sheila

MadApostate

Wendy:

All this could have been avoided if you had simply gone along with the crowd, and also "cast your stone" at the abuser.

No, you had the audacity to be objective, and point out that this victimizer was probably once a victim of abuse himself. Who cares that his life was likely ruined many years before he repeated the cycle. Why show sympathy and understanding for such.

Cast your stone, and satisfy the bloodlust of your friends.

Primitive, aren't we?