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  TURN ON CNN: PLANE HIT WORLD TRADE CTR BLDG!!!

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  A Legal Problem With DF'ing?

  by metatron in

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  when some one is df'd, they are held to be df'd.

  in every congregation in the world.

  a record is sent.

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  Met:

  The very foundation of your argument is built on "sand". As I have repeatedly attempted to show here, there is NO LIABILITY CRISIS to start with.

  The only way (exception noted below) that the WTS can be "hung" by some "abuse case" is in a factual situation where an Elder/MS was a "known abuser" to the WTS, and the WTS allowed him to use his WTS position as the primary means of committing the abuse. (Exception: With the "law", one knows to never say never. There could always be a stray case somewhere that could go beyond the scenario noted above.) However, the simple fact remains that cries of "the WTS is facing an avalanche of abuse lawsuits" should be changed to "the WTS is facing an avalanche of 'nuisiance' abuse lawsuits." SOME of these may very well win! However, they will take years to work their way through the Appeals Courts. The bottom line is that at BEST/WORST (depending on perspective) the WTS may face having to pay out a few million dollars over a decade long period. The WTS may not be the Catholic Church, but a few million here and there is nothing to the WTS.

  Just because the WTS takes preventive measures to reduce lawsuits, or to control the amount of damages in "potential" lawsuits, does not mean they are facing corporate death. Every organization of any sophistication has a "risk management" program designed to eliminate or reduce as many legal liabilities as possible.

  As for the balance of your theory, I don't even know where to begin. There are so many ties between the WTS and the local Congs that even they would not be foolish enough to dispute such. The WTS ideology is based on the idea that every Cong in the whole world teaches the exact same doctrines, with the WTS repeatedly bragging about 98 or 99% of all Congs studying the same Watchtower article every week. The Org will NEVER go back to a "congregational" form of government. They know if they did, their days would be numbered.
  Any changes in WTS heirarchy will be offset by other equally controlling measures.

  TYPOS EDITED.
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  Kindness, and Sticking Together

  by Esmeralda in

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  while going through some old files, i found this.. it's a copy of a post i submitted on an e mail list a long time ago, when there was dissent and a lot of people were thinking of leaving.. it seems to fit what's been goin' on around here lately, so i'm posting it here.

  please indulge me.

  i tweaked it a little, but the original sentiment is still there.. thanks,.

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  Considering that you just got through accusing me of being a troll in a different thread about an hour ago, I would say that posting this makes you THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE!!!
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  Speculation on special October 7th meeting

  by Seeker in

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  we have been discussing the special meeting being held in various locations on october 7th.

  note, this is the day after the annual meeting, not part of the annual meeting itself.

  reports have come in that certain individual congregations have been invited to attend.

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  Let's face facts Sam, you, Es, and other AlanF/Farkel circlejerks don't like my being here, thus trying to run me of, because since I've been here, I keep you bunch of liars on your toes.

  There are only a handful of others here that don't let you guys get away with misleading the Board, and you attack them also.

  Anytime ANY OF YOU SCUMBAGS wish to put your money where your mouth is, just send $10,000 cash to Lark (I live near him), and I'll meet with him and EASILY prove I'm not a troll, and of course, I get totake you $10,000 home with me.

  PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
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  Speculation on special October 7th meeting

  by Seeker in

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  we have been discussing the special meeting being held in various locations on october 7th.

  note, this is the day after the annual meeting, not part of the annual meeting itself.

  reports have come in that certain individual congregations have been invited to attend.

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  FUCK YOU TOO ESSHIT!!!
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  Speculation on special October 7th meeting

  by Seeker in

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  we have been discussing the special meeting being held in various locations on october 7th.

  note, this is the day after the annual meeting, not part of the annual meeting itself.

  reports have come in that certain individual congregations have been invited to attend.

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  Sam:

  You are a spineless f--ing idiot, who is still trying to get back on the good side of the AlanF/Farkel clique after making the mistake of saying that I had made a good point in the Bethel Table Crumbs thread.

  Go get a shot of testosterone you gonadless big wussy.
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  I got invited to a party, should i go?

  by jurs in

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  hello guys,.

  i must say that being labeled an apostate has made my life quite interesting.

  i'm shunned every day at cosmetology school and the town i live in is small and i run into jw's all the time.

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  Vita and NoIdea:

  I couldn't let this thread slide off without 'seconding' your thoughts about $$$$$$$$$$$$$ temporarily interrupting the shunning process.

  I have a 'section/family' of JW relatives that take special efforts/go out of their way to avoid me like the plague (although they will talk to me if they slip up and meet me face to face). Well, within the past few months, TWO of them have had special events which customarily entail giving "gifts", and guess Who (Me) received invitations to Both? Also, guess who has taken all this Crap he going to? Neither got so much as a nickel from me!

  Years ago I was in a Cong which had a sister whose husband was not a JW, but neither was he an opposer, although he would occasionally poke fun at JW absurdities that he observed. He was also known to be fairly well off financially, and this was known throughout the circuit. Over the years, I heard JWs throughout the circuit repeatedly slander and verbally abuse this man behind his back, and even to his wife's face, because of his audacity to mock their absurdities, when he observed such.
  However, guess who was the very first person who got telephoned for a sales appointment when those very same JWs got jobs selling overpriced pots/pans, vacuum cleaners, hearing aids, vitamin supplements, etc??? And you know what, that Man ALWAYS bought their overpriced crap because he felt sorry for their deprived families. Yet, those very same JWs would continue to slander him for years behind his back, even after he allowed them to take advantage of his money.

  He's dead now, and JWs he helped financially still speak ill of him because he was smart enough not to get caught up in their cult.

  They credit Jehovah for moving his "hard heart" to help them, without so much as a thought that that man had a better heart than any of them to begin with.
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  A Legal Problem With DF'ing?

  by metatron in

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  when some one is df'd, they are held to be df'd.

  in every congregation in the world.

  a record is sent.

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  Met:

  In both this thread and (I believe you started) the CO thread, you are acting as if you have discovered something "special", but I obviously am not following your point. What are you trying to say?

  The relationship between the WTS and Congs are unquestioned. A BOE are "agents" of the WTS the majority of the time, with the WTS vicariously liable for any negligent acts. For them not to be such would be the exception.

  As regards DFing, US Courts have consistently ruled that a religion can give the boot to any member anytime it sees fit on religious grounds. The only reason the WTS stopped announcing "reasons" was so that a DFed person would have no grounds to start a slander suit, not because such is slander, just so the WTS won't be bothered with nuisance suits.

  HCM:

  "Every new case sets new legal precedent, according to my attorney."

  Either you misunderstood your attorney (most likely), or you have a really stupid attorney.
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  Do Not Call List

  by anglise in

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  do not call list.

  an ex-jw in the uk has come up with a brainwave!!.

  he canvassed his local area and came up with a signed list of several thousand householders who did not wish to be called on again by jehovahs witnesses.. this list was then handed to the local congregations and the london bethel who were then obliged to list all those households as do not calls.. has anyone else tried this?

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  I can't even recall where "Do Not Call" procedures are even spelled out- BOE Letter? KM? Org Book?

  Does anyone have the SOP in writing? Please post!
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  Speculation on special October 7th meeting

  by Seeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have been discussing the special meeting being held in various locations on october 7th.

  note, this is the day after the annual meeting, not part of the annual meeting itself.

  reports have come in that certain individual congregations have been invited to attend.

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  Buff:

  Can you tell us how many different Congs and Circuits you're referring to?

  Where is their meeting location?

  Any other "specifics" available?