Posts by MadApostate

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

Hawkaw's earlier comments seem to indicate that his relationship with Paul H. may have slipped to the point where P.H. may not respond to his requests.

Is there someone else who could approach DPI about the original app?

Who knows what Paul H. might do if we could tactfully piss him off at the WTS.

I know that P.H. received lots of written WTS material about their characterization of the UN, but it is questionable how much of the stuff was actually reviewed.

Since all of us our attracted to pictures/photos, DID ANYONE THINK TO SEND WTS DEPICTIONS OF LIGHTNING BOLTS/FIRE STRIKING THE UN BUILDING?

I know that there were several of these in WTS Pubs back in the '60s and '70s. I don't have the Mags, but looking at "Impossible For Go To Lie", there is a small one on page 363. Could someone scan, convert, and post this?

Several of these might be enough to piss PH off to the point of helping us refute the WTS denials.

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

P.S. Please do not publish my e-mail address.

Contact in Britain:
Paul Gillies,
telephone 020 8906 2211;
Fax: 020 8371 0051;
E-mail: [email protected]

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

Wendy and others:

Thanks for the "pats-on-the-back". However, I would encourage everyone to keep in context the various "incidents of WTS porneia" which I have posted.

Back on pages 8 and 9, Maximus hypothesized that the WTS's UNDPI "associative status" was the moronic result of Barry and Ciro merely seeking a "UN Library Card", without Barry/Ciro understanding, or possibly caring, about the implications/propriety of formally attaching the WTS to the UN. I countered with a rejection of this hypothesis. To accept such, one must ignore all the evidence that I have posted, which points to the conclusion that the WTS has had a calculated and deliberate global scheme to befriend and use any worldly organization which can assist the WTS to accomplish their corporate goals, be they governmental organizations or ngos.

To accept Max's hypothesis is to hand the WTS the excuse that formally attaching themself to the UN was nothing except a "mental lapse" on the part of imperfect humans with honest intentions, with the deceased Barry taking 99.9% of the blame.

NO!!!

The evidence which has been posted indicates that the UNDPI affiliation was the MOST DIRECT AND INCRIMINATING ACT OF FORNICATION, but it was not the first WTS act of porneia, nor was it the last.

Even prior to the application for UNDPI affiliation in 1991, the European JWs had established an unaffiliated NGO called AIDAFRIQUE, whose webpages are found on the French JW website. Those webpages brag about working with UNHCR in Africa multiple times during the 1990s. Other webpages indicate aid assistance in Vietnam. Who really knows how much "goodwill" and "PR" the WTS reaped from such in Europe, Africa, and even Vietnam?

Then there is all the other "stuff" which I posted over the weekend, which shows the WTS has had an ongoing effort of befriending and participating with third-party governmental and nongovernmental organizations, who are being used to intercede with Nations who are giving the WTS problems.

The UNDPI incident, was nothing less than catching the WHORETOWER participating in a 10 year long sexual affair with the Scarlet-colored Beast.

However, all these other incidents are evidence of "varying acts of porneia" with UN Departments, the Kings who support the Beast, and other orgs which support the whole system.

As I have asked before: Where is the Greek Scriptures precedent for such interactions with those organizations which oppose the Messianic Kingdom?

Paul's "appealing to Caesar", as well as all his appearances before Festus, Felix, and other "superior authorities" were all done in the context of "judicial proceedings" while Paul was under arrest.

When did Jesus, Stephen, or others appear before the "superior authorities" to ask for their help? When did they ever appear before "superior authorities" outside the situation of their being under arrest?

Remember, a "harlot" doesn't marry her cohorts; she doesn't become a "family member". She "associates/affiliates" with them as a "partner" in reoccurring exchanges that are mutually beneficial.

The WTS didn't become a UN Member, because only Governments are allowed to marry. So, the WTS did the next best thing; it formally affiliated itself to the UN. The mutually beneficial relationship consisted of the WTS providing positive PR for the UN in a worldwide educational magazine (AWAKE, which is the journal most often distributed to nonJWs), while the UN lended its prestige and status to the WTS's various efforts.

We should also remember that practically all the evidence found thus far is attributable to the internet, which mainly contains info from the past 6 or 7 years. Who knows how much more evidence exists, but is unavailable. Its like killing cockroaches. For everyone you see and kill, there are probably dozens more.

Let's keep looking!!!

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

How many of the conferences, hearings, etc. (posted above) included both the WTS and Willy Fautre of Human Rights Without Frontiers?

I can't get the HRWF website to open, but if someone else can, I'd suggest seeing if there are any "hints" of financial ties to the WTS, or anything else interesting which ties the 2 orgs. In my searching, I have ran across several sites which have borrowed webpages containing JW info from HRWF.

There is no doubt that the WTS is taking advantage of this supposedy independent NGO to advance its corporate goals.

Take a look at this Letter, which invokes the status of HRWF. I believe most folks here will recognize the names of the Sender and the Recipient.

. http://www.jw-russia.org/eng/moscow/let98sep181.htm

(I don't have a problem with the "procedure" involved with the sending of the letter. This is a case of where the WTS is appealing to the government with which it has an aggreivance, as opposed to the situations posted above where the WTS appeals for third-party intercession.)

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

The OSCE Implementation Meeting on Human Dimension Issues took place on 17-27 October 2000 in Warsaw. The Meeting was organized by the Office for
Democratic Institutions and Human Rights.
The Meeting was the fifth of its kind. It reviewed implementation of the full range of OSCE human dimension commitments in all 55 OSCE participating States.
...
...
...
SESSION 8 (open)

1. Date: Monday, 23 October 2000
Opened: 12.15 p. m. Suspended: 1.10 p. m. Resumed: 3.10 p. m. Closed:
6.05 p. m.

2. Chairman: Mr. T. M. Buchsbaum (Moderator)

3. Subjects discussed -Statements -Decisions:

REVIEW OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF HUMAN DIMENSION COMMITMENTS BY PARTICIPATING STATES IN THE OSCE AREA; CONSIDERATION OF WAYS AND MEANS OF IMPROVING IMPLEMENTATION, ON THE BASIS OF THE BROADEST POSSIBLE INFORMATION, IN PARTICULAR FROM OSCE BODIES AND INSTITUTIONS AS WELL AS A REVIEW OF THE PROCEDURES AND MECHANISMS FOR MONITORING AND ENHANCING COMPLIANCE WITH PARTICULAR COMMITMENTS

Tolerance and non-discrimination:
-Prevention of aggressive

nationalism and chauvinism
-Ethnic cleansing
-Racism
-Xenophobia
-Anti-Semitism

European Commission against Racism and Intolerance, Netherlands (also on behalf of France-European Union, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Estonia, Hungary, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Romania, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, the Czech Republic and Turkey), Greek Helsinki Monitor, International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA), Macedonian Human Rights Movement in Greece, Minority Rights Group -Greece, Czech Republic, Minority Rights Group International, Belarus, Russian Federation

Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion or belief

ODIHR Advisory Panel of Experts on Freedom of Religion or Belief, Human Rights Without Frontiers, United States of America, Watch Tower Bible and Tracts Society of Pennsylvania, Association of Christian Churches in Russia, Ukraine, Netherlands (also on behalf of France-European Union, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Estonia, Hungary, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Romania, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, the Czech Republic and Turkey), Netherlands, Koordinierungsrat der türkischen Vereine in Baden, Church of Scientology-European Human Rights Office, Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, Greek Helsinki Monitor, Minority Rights Group -Greece, Norway, Conference of European Churches, International Raelian Religion, Moscow Patriarchate, Belarus, Russian Federation, France, Georgia, Turkey, Estonia, Bulgaria

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"Hypocrite Organization"

by biblexaminer in

jw
friends

here's a good one.. .

hypocrite organization "disassociates" from the un.

they will come to your door soon, and they will bear in hand a magazine that warns you about "'religious hypocrisy".

MadApostate

BX:

As I have pointed out previously, at least twice, the following statement is WRONG.

... According to UN documents, they had to agree to ... "encourage political activism in their community."

That quote comes from the paragraph which defines NGOs generically, and is part of the list of activities in which some NGOs MAY be involved. Those activities are NOT criteria for UNDPI association.

If that quote is incorrectly included in any circulated communication, the WTS will use the misuse of such to discredit the entire piece.

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MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

by hawkaw in

as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

MadApostate

The WTS had 2 speakers scheduled to appear at CESNUR's 1998 International Conference in Italy, but the WTS withdrew them at the last minute.

There are websites which "crow" that the WTS did so, due to xjws making such public.

However, if such was the case, why did the WTS participate in 1999?

------------------------------------------------

CESNUR

1999 International Conference Agenda

. http://www.cesnur.org/testi/bryn/Bryn_Athyn.htm

Speakers include:

Philip Brumley, WTS
Willy Fautre, HRWF
Jeremy Gunn, State Dept.
Karen Lord, CSCE

2

Various Conferences Attended By WTS LEGAL!

by MadApostate in

jw
friends

alain garay (wts attorney at 1999 csce conference) and willy fautre (hrwf) are at this poland conference.

garay shares the stage with carolyn wah while presenting a workshop called "the role of inter-governmental organizations".

fautre proceeds them, with jeremy gunn of osce/csce fame listed in 2 roles.

MadApostate

Tieing the threads together.

. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14101&site=3

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WTS Legal Invokes Confucius In Political Effort

by MadApostate in

this was part of my "whore fornicates with the beast" series in hawkaw's un thread, which is now down.. while the invoking of a false religion's teachings and philosophy is bad enough, don't overlook the purpose behind this document.

all of this is for the purpose of drectly influencing legislation in certain asian countries.

i believe that is called "being involved in politics".. ---------------------------------------------- .

MadApostate

Just to tie the threads together.

Looking at the "political participation" angle.

. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14105&site=3

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WTS and Holocaust $$$ Reparations $$$

by MadApostate in

jw
friends

this is also posted in hawkaw's un thread, which is currently down.

i posted it there since i see the wts's invitation and participation in this international conference as evidencing how successful the wts has manipulated the holocaust tragedies to further its secret agenda to weave itself into the international community, despite its expressed position that it is "no part of the world".

its interesting that as time progresses, and the wts teaches its followers that every day brings closer the destruction of this world, yet the wts continues to make every effort to move closer to the world and gain its favor.. here is a high-ranking representative of "god's earthly organization" addressing a meeting of high-ranking "worldly" vips, and where in this message is the promotion of "god's kingdom"?

MadApostate

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