un/wtbs wtbs answer to all jws.
i think almost everyone on this board is aware of the latest case about the un/wtbs connections.
4 days later i receive an answer letter.
Blue:
My wording was both correct and precise. The WTS requested and was granted "associative status" with UNDPI. UNDPI refers to its associated NGOs as "associates" and "partners". All of this terminology comes from UNDPI webpages.
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Waiting:
Me thinks you are doing more than "breezing" on that wine.
The WTS is a NGO (non-governmental organization) by definition.
The WTS "was" associated with UNDPI (United Nations Department of Public Information).
un/wtbs wtbs answer to all jws.
i think almost everyone on this board is aware of the latest case about the un/wtbs connections.
4 days later i receive an answer letter.
Waiting:
You said:
When the WTBTS applied with the proper credentials (Awake! articles of UN endorsement and signed application) to become a DPI - they were accepted by the UN.
You also made a similar statement in a different thread.
DPI is the UN's Department of Public Information. There are 1000s of NGOs by definition. The UN Charter provides for qualifying NGOs to officially affiliate/associate with the UN's various sections/departments. The WTS requested and received "associative status" with UNDPI.
un/wtbs wtbs answer to all jws.
i think almost everyone on this board is aware of the latest case about the un/wtbs connections.
4 days later i receive an answer letter.
Yes. I believe someone earlier posted a WT or AW article from 1989 in which you could tell that the agenda/tone was already changing. Keep in mind that AIDAFRIQUE was legally setup in France sometime in 1991, which means that the plans had been in the works for some unknown period of time prior to 1991. The UN-NGO App was also filed in 1991.
Obviously, noone but WTS insiders know the actual timetable, but it appears that the WTS had estblished definite goals sometime in the late 80s, at least a couple years prior to the NGO App.
un/wtbs wtbs answer to all jws.
i think almost everyone on this board is aware of the latest case about the un/wtbs connections.
4 days later i receive an answer letter.
Norm:
You said:
Although the original idea might be to get a library card they quickly discovered that the NGO status gave them access to all kinds of political lobbying all over the world.
This "bolded" assertion, first made by Maximus here on JWcom, then by the WTS-London, and now you does NOT stand up to the evidence.
I still have vague recollection of numerous UN quotes and UN photos appearing in the various WTS Pubs, especially the AWAKE!, during the 1960s, 70s, and 80s. Take a gander at the Pub Index for these decades and see that the WTS had access to all the quotes, photos, etc they needed to write their articles. The only benefit that direct access to UN materials would have given them was to increase the quality and quantity of articles speaking positively about the UN.
NO!!! The "political angle" was their "original intent". The "tone" of UN related articles had already started to change by 1989. AIDAFRIQUE had already been planned and set in motion by the time the NGO App was filed.
I suspect that one of Max's WTS contacts has convinced him that this was merely a moronic slip-up by Lloyd Barry and CiroA, and he is spreading this idea behind the scenes with some of the xjw community.
Why are you guys giving the WTS this edge, especially when their assertion isn't even logical, and the evidence is against such?
as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.
and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .
after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk
Here is the link to my thread that contains evidence of the WTS's using the Holocaust to develop "credibility" with the "world".
. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14499&site=3
Combine this decade-long worldwide "education scheme" with the previously provided decade-long worldwide "political lobbying scheme", and one begins to see a decade-long worldwide strategy to further WTS corporate marketing goals at the expense of corporate ideology.
"adultresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?
whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.
"they are no part of the world, just as i am no part of he world.
Please bear in mind my previously used "cockroach" analogy. The events above, which evidence WTS participation, are only those which are internet accessible.
For every one found there are likely dozens or hundreds which we do not know about.
Combine this "PR agenda" with the WTS's "political lobbying agenda", and one begins to see their decade long global scheme to "cozy up" to the world in furtherance of WTS corporate goals.
the watchtower society .
in the zionist conspiracy.
by:-jack mccracken 9.30.01. the watchtower society's membership in the united nations as an ngo since 1991, and advocacy of the un charter, is just the tip of the iceberg.
FatHeadAussieCracker:
You obviously are a member of this alleged Illuminati plot, since your agenda is to adulterate proven Truths regarding the WTS with your message of ludicrous half-truths and lies, and thus cause any legit JW who would take the time to read such a load of kangaroo krap to immediately conclude that the Watchtower Society is 100% correct when it portrays its opponents as demon-inspired lying fools.
this was part of my "whore fornicates with the beast" series in hawkaw's un thread, which is now down.. while the invoking of a false religion's teachings and philosophy is bad enough, don't overlook the purpose behind this document.
all of this is for the purpose of drectly influencing legislation in certain asian countries.
i believe that is called "being involved in politics".. ---------------------------------------------- .
Part IV
Asia and the question of alternative civilian service
Jehovah's Witnesses have been active in Asia for many decades.139 They represent a religious organization that has consistently applied their beliefs regardless of the governmental arrangement under which they live. With their religious beliefs firmly based on the Bible, Jehovah's Witnesses are known to be peaceful, non-violent and cooperative, and at the same time, they refuse induction into any nation's armed forces. These interpretations of scripture are not unique to Jehovah's Witnesses.140
Looking carefully at both the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures as well as the example of the first century Christians, individual witnesses have universally concluded that participation in the military would violate Bible principles.141
Although service in the military is clearly forbidden according to the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, The Watchtower magazine, published by Jehovah's Witnesses, recently discussed the possibility of Witnesses performing alternative nonmilitary civilian service.142
In light of the possibility of alternative civilian service for religious dissenters, Taiwan has recently become the first Asian country to adopt a program providing its draft age citizens the option of completing their constitutional obligation to perform military service in a civilian service program. The newly enacted Statute for Implementation of Alternative Services ("SIAS"), and the amendments to the Military Service Law ("MSL") and the Law of Enforcement of the Military Service Law ("LEMSL") were promulgated by President Li on 2 February 2000.143 The amendments to the MSL and the LEMSL became effective on 4 February 2000, two days after the President's promulgation, while Article 63 of the SIAS authorizes the Executive Yuan to decide when the SIAS will be implemented. On February 19, 2000, the Director of the Conscription Department of the Ministry of the Interior ("MOI") stated that the MOI expects to accept applications for alternative services in April 2000 and to arrange applicants for drawing lots in June 2000, and that eligible applicants must have been born in 1980 or earlier and college graduates may be given priority. The SIAS requires the MOI to establish a Conscription Administration to administer conscription and alternative service matters.
As a result of the new legislation, many young men who object to military service for reasons of religious belief or conscience, who have not been conscripted may apply for performing alternative service pursuant to the Statute for Implementation of Alternative Service ("SIAS"). Under the Amendment to the Military Service Law, those who have been conscripted and sentenced to imprisonment for conscientious objection to military service will be prohibited from alternative military service if: (i) they were ever sentenced to imprisonment of five years or more, or (ii) the aggregate term of all sentences actually enforced reaches three years or more. According to the Ministry of National Defense ("MND"), 1,307 Jehovah's Witnesses have been sentenced to imprisonment, and nine of them are still not qualified for prohibition from military service under the amendment. As the SIAS is applicable only to those who have never been conscripted, the MND is studying how to accommodate the new legislation to these nine Jehovah's Witnesses.
There is also a need for similar legislative action in Korea. Korea's Christian population is estimated to be 30% of the general population. Among them are over 87,000 who are Jehovah's Witnesses, who are known worldwide for their refusal to participate in any military service based on their understanding of the Bible. Among these 87,000 Witnesses, some 1,400 young Christian men now serve in Korean prisons for following their conscience and religious beliefs.
Articles 19 and 20 of the Korean constitution protect the right of all citizens to "enjoy freedom of conscience" and "freedom of religion." On December 21, 1965, the South Korea Supreme Court has ruled that military service is mandatory for every citizen as stipulated in the Military Service Law, and every citizen is constitutionally liable for national defense as stipulated by law. Although freedom of religion is guaranteed by the Constitution, the right to reject the liability for military service is not included in this guarantee. Therefore, it appears that the constitutional duty to perform military service implies that every citizen has the absolute duty to complete military training using rifles, and has no right to refuse to carry out the military commander's orders. This moral dilemma so quickly resolved in 1965 under very different political and economic climate must be reexamined. If the Korean constitution is to be read in light of Confucian principles, then both the legislature and the courts must reconsider how to make this reconciliation for the sake of the consciences of its citizens and the protection of its rich Confucian heritage.
this was part of my "whore fornicates with the beast" series in hawkaw's un thread, which is now down.. while the invoking of a false religion's teachings and philosophy is bad enough, don't overlook the purpose behind this document.
all of this is for the purpose of drectly influencing legislation in certain asian countries.
i believe that is called "being involved in politics".. ---------------------------------------------- .
Here is an excerpt from Carolyn Wah's article, which I find very interesting considering her position as an Attorney for the WTS, which swears that it always maintains a position of political neutrality. Evidently, the WTS's definition of "political neutrality" does not prevent it from trying to promote legislation which would favor its own interests.
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An interesting example of civil disobedience in the Chinese community occurred in the United States following the enactment of the Geary Act of 1892. The Geary Act required all Chinese laborers living in the United States to register with the collector of internal revenue. Failure to register would subject the Chinese laborer to arrest and deportation. In 1892 there were approximately 85,000 Chinese laborers living in America. Ellen D. Katz, The Six Companies and the Geary Act: A Case Study in Nineteenth-Century Civil Disobedience and Civil Rights Litigation, 8 Western Legal History 227, 268 (1995). The Chinese Benevolent Association, also known as the Six Companies called for support from the Chinese community and urged the targeted workers to refuse to register and to risk deportation. In September 1892, the Six Companies under the leadership of its President, Chu Ti-chu, told John Quinn, the collector of internal revenue in San Francisco that the Chinese community would not comply with the Geary Act because the act "violated every principle of justice and equity and fair dealings between friendly powers." Id. at 271.
The Six Companies hoped that non-registration together with political, diplomatic pressures, and legal action would prompt either judicial invalidation or legislative appeal. The constitutionality of the Geary Act is challenged in court and eventually reaches the Supreme Court of the United States in Fong Yu Ting v. United States, 148 U.S. 698 (1893), which upheld the constitutionality of the Geary Act. Private citizens also showed their support for the Geary Act through violent attacks in Chinese workers such as the incident at Rock Spring, Wyoming in which white miners murdered twenty-eight Chinese workers. Id. at 249.
Congress responded with passage of the McCreary Amendment Act of 1893, that extended the registration requirement for six months. Despite these clear legal and political setbacks, the resistance lead by the Six Companies succeeded because the Cleveland administration decided not to enforce the mass deportations of Chinese workers.
The movement in resistance to the Geary Act that imposed the requirement for all Chinese laborers to register with the government or risk deportation is properly characterized as "a massive campaign of civil disobedience," because it was public, nonviolent, political and contrary to law. Katz, supra, at 228.
According to Confucian scholar Sumner B. Twiss, 'the highest Confucian ideal' is the "unity of Man and Heaven which . . . extends Confucianism humanism and its sense of moral responsibility to a planetary or even universal scale."137 Twiss claims that Confucianism like every other "cultural moral tradition" is universal and creates a duty to act when morality, whether "virtue-based or rights-based" is violated by the government.138
Therefore, the action of the individual is used to call attention to the need of the government to conform to the higher law. By taking the moral stand even when it violates civil law, the conscientious objector provides a service to the government. His actions are similar to the Confucian minister who corrected the Emperor at the risk of personal loss. This morally driven conduct provides a valuable service to the community and protects the stability of the government by calling attention to moral issues.
"adultresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?
whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.
"they are no part of the world, just as i am no part of he world.
It seems that the WTS is a regular participant at the Annual Scholar's Conferences On the Holocaust and the Churches. Here is evidence that unnamed French JWs participated in the 27th Annual Scholar's Conference On the Holocaust and the Churches in 1997:
