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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

Pat:

Yes, the EXCLUDED SENTENCE IS A "SMOKING GUN"!!!

However, this deleting of the BEST SENTENCE from Muller, because it referred to "accrediting of Religious NGOs", should make us search WTS Publications for any specific references to Religions as being "accredited, affiliated, or associated" with the UN. There is no better evidence that the WTS could use to establish the "harlot's" relationship with the "beast" than the formalized association as an UN NGO.

IF no such references can be found after ~1990, then that would prove a CONSPIRACY to hide the WTS's own UN-NGO affiliation. (It would even be better if pre-1990 references existed, but none thereafter.)

IF references can be found, then such proves their HYPOCRISY.

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JW ELDERS APPLY/RECEIVE CLERGY TAX EXEMPTION

by MadApostate in

opinions of counsel.

volume 10 - opinions of counsel sbrps no.

these opinions are subject to revision and editing changes prior to publication.

MadApostate

This is cut-n-dried PROOF that JW Elders consider themselves to be part of a "clergy class", thereby "flushing" the WTS's historic teaching that JWs have no clergy-laity distinctions.

The cited webpage should be linked from every XJW website.

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

Here is the subheading portion of the article with the SENTENCE EXCLUDED BY THE WTS INCLUDED.

Does not the INCLUSION of the EXCLUDED SENTENCE better follow the lead-in provided by the last sentence in Paragraph 10:

"How extensive is her involvement with this organzation?"

Does not the INCLUSION of the EXCLUDED SENTENCE better answer Paragraph 11's question:

"What representation does religion have at the UN?"

THE EXCLUSION OF ANY SPECIFIC VERBIAGE REGARDING RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS BEING "ACCREDITED/ASSOCIATED/AFFILIATED" WITH THE UNITED NATIONS MUST HAVE BEEN INTENTIONAL SO AS TO COVER THEIR OWN ASSES!!!

"ACCREDITION/ASSOCIATION/AFFILIATION AS A NGO WITH THE UNITED NATIONS" is the only FORMAL RELATIONSHIP a RELIGION (a/k/a THE GREAT HARLOT) can have with the United Nations (a/k/a the SCARLET COLORED WILD BEAST).

With regard to the WTS's prophecy interpretations, this "formalized relationship" would be THE BEST EVIDENCE of any real connection between the Beast and the Harlot.

SO, SO, SO, can anyone find ANY QUOTE from the WTS specifically condemning False Religion for formalizing a legal relationship with the UN, ie, becoming an officially "accredited, associated, affiliated" NGO of the United Nations?

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Rejecting the "Tried Stone"

8 Is there a parallel situation today? Yes, there is. The clergy of Christendom also feel that no calamity will overtake them. In effect, they say as Isaiah foretold: "We have concluded a covenant with Death; and with Sheol we have effected a vision; the overflowing flash flood, in case it should pass through, will not come to us, for we have made a lie our refuge and in falsehood we have concealed ourselves." (Isaiah 28:15) Like ancient Jerusalem, Christendom looks to worldly alliances for security, and her clergy refuse to take refuge in Jehovah. Why, they do not even use his name, and they mock and persecute those who do honor that name. Christendom's clergy have done just what the Jewish chief priests in the first century did when they rejected Christ. They have said, in effect, "We have no king but Caesar."--John 19:15.

8. How has Christendom taken a position very much like that of ancient Judah?

9 Today, Jehovah's Witnesses warn that a flood of executional armies will soon sweep over Christendom. Moreover, they point to the true place of refuge from that flood. They quote Isaiah 28:16, which says: "This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: 'Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.'" Who is this "precious cornerstone"? The apostle Peter quoted these words and applied them to Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:6) If Christendom had sought peace with Jehovah's King, Jesus Christ, then she would have avoided the coming flash flood.--Compare Luke 19:42-44.

9. (a) Who is warning Christendom today in the same way that Isaiah warned Judah? (b) To whom should Christendom turn?

10 However, she has not done so. Instead, in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations -- this despite the Bible's warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) Moreover, in 1919 she strongly advocated the League of Nations as man's best hope for peace. Since 1945 she has put her hope in the United Nations. (Compare Revelation 17:3, 11.) How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

10. What involvements has Christendom cultivated?

11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: "All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example, No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths."

11. What representation does religion have at the UN?

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

I did bring this article up at the touchtone web site and the witnesses at that web site just "brushed" it off as if it was no big deal.
But here is me thinking, okay this is the WTS saying having a relationship by having 24 groups "associating" with the UN is not good but then in Feb, 1992 the WTS is acredited themselves!

I had not read this quote until it was posted today. The very first thing that crossed my mind while reading the first quoted sentence was that there was likely an excluded reference to "NGO status", because that is the only way that "twenty-four Catholic organizations" could be "represented at the UN".

Sure enough, checked the quote, and there it was.

As much time as you spend checking quotes in "WTS blood articles", I'm disappointed in you that in your online debate with JWs that you didn't think to check this one. :)

The JWs' "so-what" reaction was to be expected, due to no lack of finding numerous WTS quotes where the WTS criticizes "Christendom" for its "illicit" relationship with the Beast, since the "great harlot" pictures "Christendom".

OF COURSE, it's NOT the quote itself that is so condemning as is the EXCLUDED sentence that preceded the quote, which specifically mentions the "accediting" of religious NGOs to the UN.

That EXCLUDED SENTENCE better answers the posed question for paragraph 11 than does the next 5 sentences which are quoted.

As I have already pointed out above, the EXCLUSION must have been "intentional" due to what was going on in the backgroud unbeknownst to the JW R&F.

THIS IS BIGTIME EVIDENCE OF WTS DECEPTION AND HYPOCRISY!!!

PS: As you point out, after Barry died, one of the other Officers was required to be listed, so who better that the President-Adams. I'm like JT. Can't wait to see it.

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

Was this before or after they had become an NGO.
Pat

This "Study Article", published in the June 1, 1991 issue, would have come out at almost the exact same time they were putting together the Application for NGO affiliation, which was approved in (July?) 1992.

Read the article carefully, and then explain why this sentence was left out of the quote: "All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations."

Would not this sentence actually make the quote (thus the point) even stronger?

It's exclusion can only be interpreted as intentional, and if so, WHY???

The editor(s) knew that they too were seeking the exact same relationship with the U.N.!!!

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

Thanks Nic and Pat for taking the time to post that material!

Since I've already typed out these quotes, I'll go ahead and post them for emphasis:

Paragraph 11 appears in the subheading titled Rejecting the "Tried Stone".

Excerpts:

Paragraph 8: "Like ancient Jerusalem, Christendom looks to worldly alliances for security, and her clergy refuse to take refuge in Jehovah."

Paragraph 10: "... in her quest for peace and security, she insinuates herself into the favor of the political leaders of the nations-- this despite the Bible's warning that friendship with the world is enmity with God."

Paragraph 10 ends with this question: "How extensive is her involvement with this organization?

Paragraph 11:

11 A recent book gives an idea when it states: "No less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths."

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

Would someone who has the CDROM PLEASE post this "Study Article".

The quote is essentially all paragraph 11, whose question is:

11. What representation does religion have at the UN?

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WATCHTOWER QUOTE RE UN NGOs NAILS THEIR OWN ASSES!

by MadApostate in

i'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.. the blue portion appears on page 17 of the june 1, 1991 watchtower, in the article titled their refuge--a lie!, which criticizes "christendom" for seeking help from the united nations rather than jah.. .

"prayer and meditation at the united nations"-- robert muller .

"prayer, meditation and spirituality at the un are fascinating subjects.

MadApostate

I'm pulling this out of the original thread since people are blowing by this as if it were nothing.

The blue portion appears on page 17 of the June 1, 1991 Watchtower, in the article titled THEIR REFUGE--A LIE!, which criticizes "Christendom" for seeking help from the United Nations rather than Jah.

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"Prayer And Meditation At The United Nations"-- Robert Muller

"Prayer, meditation and spirituality at the UN are fascinating subjects. All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example, no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths. It is a common practice of the Unitarian-Universalists to display the United Nations flag in their houses of worship. So does the Holy Family Church, the parish church of the UN, with its international reliquary and its many religious services and activities catering to world peace and to the international community.

"When it comes to the United Nations proper, one can obviously not say that it is a spiritual organization. How could it be otherwise? For the UN is the creation and mirror of governments, most of whom have 'secularized' themselves, i.e., separated spirituality from their daily lives and preoccupations. Nevertheless, prayer and spirituality play an important role in the United Nations. It is a moving experience, for example, to witness the minute of silence for prayer or meditation at the opening of the yearly General Assembly, when men and women from all nations center their minds and souls on the job to be done and when at the end of the Assembly a similar minute of silence permits them to reflect on their achievements and failures. Thus, the world's first universal gatherings of nations are placed under the symbol of prayer or meditation. Also, there are many delegates and world servants whose cultures do not make any distinction between spirituality and public service. Then there are those who are deeply attached to their faiths or for whom the United Nations is a new form of spirituality and ethics, while they remain faithful to their respective religions. Some delegates are known to meditate in a place of worship before speaking in a UN assembly. One of the greatest orators ever at the United Nations, Professor Belaunde from Peru, meditated on his speeches in St. Patrick Cathedral. Then we have the UN Meditation Room, which is visited by hundreds of thousands of visitors each year. We have also a UN Meditation Group led by an Indian mystic. One could tell several moving stories of the spiritual transformation the UN has caused, to the point that this little speck on earth is becoming a holy ground. For example, the rational, intellectual economist Dag Hammarskiöld found God at the United Nations and inspiration for his work as a world servant in the mystics of the Middle Ages. Towards the end, his Markings overflow with spirituality and mysticism."

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This happend in our congregation about the UN

by caballoSentado in

jw
friends

dear friends.

this is my story (in development).... firstly, since my native language is spanish, bear with any erros in writing & simple sentences, please.. i a jw 45 years old, married, 2 sons (15 & 10 y.o.

) and a girl (2 y.o.).

MadApostate

The italicized portion appears on page 17 of the June 1, 1991 Watchtower.

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"Prayer And Meditation At The United Nations"-- Robert Muller

"Prayer, meditation and spirituality at the UN are fascinating subjects. All major world religions are accredited to the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. For example, no less than twenty-four Catholic organizations are represented at the UN. Several of the world's religious leaders have visited the international organization. Most memorable were the visits of His Holiness Pope Paul VI during the General Assembly in 1965 and of Pope John Paul II in 1979. Many religions have special invocations, prayers, hymns and services for the United Nations. The most important examples are those of the Catholic, the Unitarian-Universalist, the Baptist and the Bahai faiths. It is a common practice of the Unitarian-Universalists to display the United Nations flag in their houses of worship. So does the Holy Family Church, the parish church of the UN, with its international reliquary and its many religious services and activities catering to world peace and to the international community.

"When it comes to the United Nations proper, one can obviously not say that it is a spiritual organization. How could it be otherwise? For the UN is the creation and mirror of governments, most of whom have 'secularized' themselves, i.e., separated spirituality from their daily lives and preoccupations. Nevertheless, prayer and spirituality play an important role in the United Nations. It is a moving experience, for example, to witness the minute of silence for prayer or meditation at the opening of the yearly General Assembly, when men and women from all nations center their minds and souls on the job to be done and when at the end of the Assembly a similar minute of silence permits them to reflect on their achievements and failures. Thus, the world's first universal gatherings of nations are placed under the symbol of prayer or meditation. Also, there are many delegates and world servants whose cultures do not make any distinction between spirituality and public service. Then there are those who are deeply attached to their faiths or for whom the United Nations is a new form of spirituality and ethics, while they remain faithful to their respective religions. Some delegates are known to meditate in a place of worship before speaking in a UN assembly. One of the greatest orators ever at the United Nations, Professor Belaunde from Peru, meditated on his speeches in St. Patrick Cathedral. Then we have the UN Meditation Room, which is visited by hundreds of thousands of visitors each year. We have also a UN Meditation Group led by an Indian mystic. One could tell several moving stories of the spiritual transformation the UN has caused, to the point that this little speck on earth is becoming a holy ground. For example, the rational, intellectual economist Dag Hammarskiöld found God at the United Nations and inspiration for his work as a world servant in the mystics of the Middle Ages. Towards the end, his Markings overflow with spirituality and mysticism."

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MEXICAN CONSULATE LINKS UN's WATCHTOWER NGO PAGE

by MadApostate in

do governments pay attention whether ngos are affiliated with the united nations?.

visit this link, tab down to the wbts link, and see whose webpage pops up: .

http://www.consulmexny.org/eng/links_int_org3.htm

MadApostate

Spanish version:

. http://www.consulmexny.org/esp/ligas_ong3.htm