Posts by cobweb

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To "A Believer" and other JW's that lurk or participate.

by goingthruthemotions in

you think that coming to this site or other anti-jw sites and showing you support for the org is noble.

knowing how brainwashed you are makes me cringe and disgustes me and i am sure others here on the forum.

becasue your in a cult and can't see it.

cobweb

You call this an anti JW board but it started out with many believing JWs. With discussion, open questioning, access to accurate information, patience and time, those who have a mind to listen, will naturally see the Watchtower teachings for lies. That is what happened naturally here, so that it has become an overwhelmingly ex-JW board. It would be a real shame if an aggressive attitude amongst the overwhelmingly ex-JWs community were to put off people coming here who are still at the tender stages in their journey - who are current believers right now, who are prickly, but are on this board which probably means that on a subconscious level, they know something is wrong, no matter what they say.

We should welcome current believing JWs and encourage them to discuss their beliefs in freedom and without personal attacks. They may come over as trollish, but allowances ought to be made - they have many misconceptions, biases etc, and come here with armor on and shield raised. I am sure that having a board full of apostates must intimidating. Being hostile to them is counterproductive. Venting at them for all of the hurt that the JW org has caused you is not fair or helpful. We were and are all victims to some extent - believing JWs just don't necessarily know it yet.

I have seen in the past, that people can start out here on this board a zealot with a defiant JW attitude, putting peoples backs up. But then, months later, after sticking around making judgmental posts etc, at some point, a change has occurred, and they start to recognize that they have been misguided. With that last post from A Believer, I think I see something similar happening to him. Such people ought to be made to feel welcome and encouraged to explore their beliefs and not driven away.

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HULU's - The Path

by babygirl30 in

jw
friends

this show is a.m.a.z.i.n.g!!!!.

...anyone that has been in a strict religion.

...anyone that has been in a high control cult or movement/organization.

cobweb

yes i remember liking this show and the Scientology culty similarities though it seemed to be headed off in a supernatural direction at the end of season 1 which i thought was a shame. It takes away from the reality of it.

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Are donations still being asked for in the door to door ministry?

by ToesUp in

for you guys and gals still in.

do you still ask for donations when placing magazines and books?

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cobweb

Interesting question. Those mags are so flimsy its hard to believe being asked to pay. Maybe for a book. Do they still offer large books door to door?

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Talking of 'Old Timers'.....Valis BigTex OnaCruise etc

by ScottyRex in

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friends

what happened to these guys.

i remember chatting and sparring with these guys years ago.

i read on here that onacruise passed away (craig) that was a shame he was a good man, and his ex wife kate.

cobweb

The bloke with the cat pic was good ???

Your not thinking of Fred Hall? He was a troll from around that time and used to refer to himself as a cat. He used to be nasty sometimes but people used to tolerate him. I can't remember if he had a cat avatar.

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Is it wrong to celebrate New Year?

by cobweb in

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friends

lol, just kidding.. have a happy new year everyone!!!!.

https://youtu.be/b3kd1uplpxw.

cobweb

Lol, just kidding.

Have a Happy New Year Everyone!!!!

https://youtu.be/B3Kd1Uplpxw

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My wife and I are hooked on European series screening on SBS TV

by smiddy in

whether they be norwegian ,danish ,french or whatever , having sub-titles doesnt bother us as their usually is a mix of english dialogue as well.. some examples : tracked ,the tunnell ,the bridge ,dicte ,borgen ,just to name a few.another one i`m watching now about the middle east the name just escapes right now .. anybody else watching these shows ?.

cobweb

Love all the Killing, bridge, borgan stuff. There was also an icelandic drama called Trapped on bbc4 about 6 months ago, set in a small fishing port. It got cut off by weather and there were murders etc. Very good.

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FYI: "Leah Remini's Anti-Scientology Documentary on A&E is scorching." Airs Tuesday the 29th, etc.

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

leah remini’s anti-scientology doc: former celeb wrangler admits how tom cruise was “surrounded” and isolated.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/11/23/leah-reminis-anti-scientology-doc-former-celeb-wrangler-admits-how-tom-cruise-was-surrounded-and-isolated.

"leah remini’s anti-scientology documentary on a&e is scorching.

cobweb

I'm loving this show. Leah Remini is so passionate it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up sometimes, like when she talks about fighting for your family at the start of each episode. I've seen 6 episodes now including the q&a episode. I have heard awake witnesses using this show to get their jw partner to see the similarities and maybe wake them up too. Seems like a good idea as although the Scientologists take it to another level, the similarities are very much there. Information control, disfellowshipping, apostasy, believing they are doing something that will save the world etc.

It is interesting that so many high level people have left in the last 10 years or so. More than in the JWs. It used to seem like people were just too scared to speak up against Scientology and for good reason, but with so many books, films, and now this tv show coming out, it seems like they are becoming more vulnerable. Its hard to imagine that Scientology is going to do anything other than die a death after so much brutally negative publicity. Not necessarily from current members leaving but from noone joining.

While there is no similar 8 part Leah Remini tv show to deal with the JW organisation, there is an ever expanding ex-jw presence on the internet creating forums, youtube channels etc which will also be having a big effect, particularly on the young.

Gotta Love Leah Remini. Never heard of her as an actress but she is fearless, articulate and passionate. Its a powerful combination.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

cobweb

It is amazing to me that with the internet and availability of information, fringe ideas still exist.

The internet has made it worse in some ways. Wheras previously there was a lone cooky person, now that person can meet other people with the same idea and become an echo chamber or someone can get influenced into believing that weird idea by means of the social power of communicating with many others who accept it. Getting together with likeminded people can be a power for good and bad.

Having ready access to accurate information doesn't have any impact on conspiracy theorists. Their impulse is that mainstream truth is a lie - accepted facts are rejected out of hand, and they will believe anything that backs up what they want to believe.

Holocaust denial, Climate change denial, evolution denial. They all are coming together now and its because of unwillingness to accept evidence and fact. JWs have the same mentality and have a conspiracy theory too. The devil is out to get them and they can't trust anyone in the world who might be affected by him.

edited to add:

I blame it partly on the widespread acceptance of religious thinking. As a Christian its okay to put faith over fact and evidence. Its esteemed. With that tendency established its a hop skip and a jump to transplant that to other areas.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

cobweb

If you type into Google search 'did the Holocaust happen' the top result comess from Stormfront with headline 'Top 10 reasons the Holocaust didn' t happen. I just tried it.

Read this Guardian article about it:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/17/holocaust-deniers-google-search-top-spot

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2 words for truth in Russian, for wt writers too?

by prologos in

ny times article: "--- 2 words for truth in russian,--" pravda, the malleable truth, and istina, the unchangeable cosmic reality.

it looks like wt writers like that, or think like that.

wt is constantly changing the surface truth, but can not change the underlying reality, no matter how many groups they overlap.

cobweb

In the current era of 'Post Truth', the Org fits in very well.

They say : "Don't research" ; "The Truth changes" ; "Reality is whatever we say it is".

All of which means Truth doesn't matter.

They denegrate facts.

I have been hearing the term gaslighting in relation to politics a lot and didn't know what it meant. I had to look it up. Its the same as what the witness do.

The Organisation should not be called 'The Truth' but 'The Post Truth'.