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  My mums dying she refuses blood transfusion...the horror.

  by Witness 007 in

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  mum has a mild form of lukeimia if she took blood like normal people she could live to be 100. but no, anointed sisters dont compromise jehovah wont allow it.

  so here i am moving to sydney for one month going to hospital everyday putting my life on hold to watch my mother die slowly.

  watching her gasp for air, struggle to breath.

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  cobweb

  So sorry for your loss.
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  boyfriends jehovah witness mom

  by whatisthis12 in

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  my boyfriend is an ex new jehovah witness and today i got a message from one of his friends asking if i could delete a comment he wrote on one of my pictures because my boyfriends mom is harassing him about it.

  he also basically told me that she has people who added me just to view my profile and let her know!!!!

  she also sends him messages and pictures from the watchtower.

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  cobweb

  Just to add: his mum will likely be feeling extremely threatened and panicking. Threatened because if your boyfriend is disfellowshipped, which seems a real possibility, she will lose her son. She will never be able to talk to him again, text him even. That prospect is going to make her a bit crazy.
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  boyfriends jehovah witness mom

  by whatisthis12 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  my boyfriend is an ex new jehovah witness and today i got a message from one of his friends asking if i could delete a comment he wrote on one of my pictures because my boyfriends mom is harassing him about it.

  he also basically told me that she has people who added me just to view my profile and let her know!!!!

  she also sends him messages and pictures from the watchtower.

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  cobweb

  This does sound like par for the course.

  Practically, I think you should lock your facebook settings down so people u don't trust aren't spying on u. Also, its up to your boyfriend to ask u to take off the comment - you shouldn't have to deal with his friends putting pressure on you. I thought all his witness friends were shunning him anyway.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  cobweb

  I remember being struck when the Divine Name brochure being studied with this comment:

  Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God's name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God Himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God's name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language. The Divine Name, p. 7

  I thought: 'if the pronunciation of God's name isn't important, why are we making such a big deal about calling God Jehovah. If someone called him Yahweh we would be saying they are wrong but that is baseless.

  Additionally, if the organisation's logic in the Divine Name brochure is that if God cared about the pronunciation of the Divine name he would have preserved it, so it doesn't matter how it is pronounced, then surely the same logic should apply to the name itself, which was absent from the earliest manuscripts of the New Testament we have. By the same logic, If it ever existed in the NT, it would have been preserved if God if he thought it was important. It was not preserved however, therefore it was not important. That should naturally follow. But that is not the case, and in the 2008 Watchtower they say:

  The manuscripts of the New Testament that we possess today are not the originals. The original manuscripts written by Matthew, John, Paul, and others were well used, and no doubt they quickly wore out. Hence, copies were made, and when those wore out, further copies were made. Of the thousands of copies of the New Testament in existence today, most were made at least two centuries after the originals were penned. It appears that by that time those copying the manuscripts either replaced the Tetragrammaton with Kuʹri·os or Kyʹri·os, the Greek word for “Lord,” or copied from manuscripts where this had been done.*

  Knowing this, a translator must determine whether there is reasonable evidence that the Tetragrammaton did in fact appear in the original Greek manuscripts (The Watchtower August 2008)
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Pretty candid discussion in their main publication on the topic The Divine Name that will Endure Forever

  I notice you didn't link to the JW.org site to read that publication. I just went over there and its not available. I don't think it was replaced was it? Are they still publishing it? That was the most thorough treatment of God's name that I ever came across. As I recall, it was studied once in the 80's in the book study.
  
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  cobweb

  Would almighty God have allowed this group of Christians to champion his name at this crucial time if they did not enjoy his blessing and support?

  I mean no disrespect, but your position on JW's does seem to vacillate quite wildly between some of your posts. Your comment above suggests you still believe the JW's are God's organisation and that this is the time of the end. Its hard for me to comprehend that you could still believe that after being on this site for 13 years. It's none of my business of course. Its just puzzling.
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  Documentary "The Dark Truth of Religion" - Does modern Christianity have ancient Egyptian roots?

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently we watched a documentary entitled: "the dark truth of religion".

  from the quality of the video, it appeared to be made several decades ago.

  it reminded me of a type of movie that they would show in a college class about the history of world religions.

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  cobweb

  On the specific subject of the evolution of the Jewish God, I think the information in this video is pretty consistent with current scholarly thought. Its a bit home made but short and to the point.

  https://youtu.be/ZECezMYug8c
  
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  Documentary "The Dark Truth of Religion" - Does modern Christianity have ancient Egyptian roots?

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently we watched a documentary entitled: "the dark truth of religion".

  from the quality of the video, it appeared to be made several decades ago.

  it reminded me of a type of movie that they would show in a college class about the history of world religions.

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  cobweb

  I didn't watch your video - it all seemed a bit ott with the music etc. If you want an even handed neutral scholarly freely available academic course on the Hebrew bible, you could do a lot worse than checking out this:

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfbxB0kKayCQ2Hf6JlCCDN6z47ySYxsCW

  Its a Yale undergraduate course. You might find the 24 part course a bit dryer than the video you posted but it is high quality information. Its a bit of a gem in my view as there is a lot of trash out there.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  cobweb

  Every scholar I have read or heard discuss the Hebrew God pronounce it Yahweh.
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  so confused!!

  by whatisthis12 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  is it possible to keep a somewhat relationship with your family if they are witnesses and have a "worldly" girlfriend?

  i just posted a post, and found this site to be very helpful.

  sorry to repost but my other thread brought up some other questions.

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  cobweb

  I think he probably wasn't disfellowshipped based on what you have said. This is because his family is still communicating with him after moving out of the family home and he is going to a convention. I think its unlikely he would go to a convention if he was disfellowshipped, particularly if he is not attempting to come back. Even though he is not disfellowshipped, it is entirely consistent with current JW thinking that all his friends would cut all association with him outside of meetings if he is living a worldly life - not going to meetings, having a 'worldly' girlfriend etc.

  Honestly, I think the fact that he is going to a convention shows that he has not firmly rejected the belief system. It sounds like he is still indoctrinated, at least to some extent. He may want to live a life outside of the religion on one level, but the belief system will likely still be there under the surface, and unless it is destroyed, there is a strong likelihood that he will feel pulled back.

  An experiment to see his level of indoctrination. Get him to go through the site https://jwfacts.com/. Ask him to read it and be with him when you do. Ask him what he thinks of the various articles. Talk to him about them. I think his reaction would be instructive. If he is resistant to read these articles or rejects the information without properly considering it, then it shows he still has a high level of indoctrination and in his heart he has not really left the organisation.