Oh yes, the Roman Catholic Heirarchy. They used to talk about this a lot at one time. Listen for example to this audio recording from 1938
https://archive.org/details/1938ResolutionByJehovahsWitnessesAgainsttheRomanCatholicHierarchy
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Post war paranoia - or - The Truth Will Make You Nuts
by undercover incheck out this wacko bs from the 1943 'the truth shall make you free' book:.
page 342-343in the postwar "new order" jerusalem's modern counterpart, "christendom," will surround herself with armies of an international police force for her continued world domination.
the roman catholic hierarchy will attempt to act as the.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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If there were Islamic groups involved in the protest march, why does it follow that everyone else is being coopted into promoting an Islamic ideology? I don't think that would be the perception of those who marched. I didn't get that impression looking at it from the outside.
I have only ever been on one protest march in my life - the stop the war march in London in 2003. It was organised by the Stop the war Coalition which i believe had links to Socialist party. Lots of copies of the Socialist Worker around the place. I didn't consider that I had been coopted by that. I was protesting against something that i believed was wrong and that was it.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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cobweb
My impression is that this was a march in solidarity for people and rights that are deemed to be under threat. The specifics of what individuals were marching varied - it wasn't just one issue. Maybe you ought to ask people who actually went on the march why they went. They will be able to give you their own personal reasons.
I thought it was a powerful thing personally. It might not directly achieve anything but that does not mean it was ineffective. Even a scream of defiance is worthwhile. It signals non compliance, non complicity to onself and others. Saying out loud what you value where you feel undermined or those values threatened, with crowds of others and finding strength from that. Seeing that you not alone. These are all positive things as far as I'm concerned.
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Women's March in Germany: Allah Akbar!
by Saename ini just found something interesting... i found a video of a group of people shouting, "allah akbar!
" while protesting in berlin, germany.
it was the women's march.. praise allah for this one-minute recording:.
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I feel like this site is starting to need an anti-Muslim sub forum
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Charity Commission, JWs drop Application for Judicial Revue.
by Slidin Fast init seems that the cc dropping the production order for documents is a quid pro quo for the wt dropping the application for judicial revue.
i hope that things are not getting too cosy between the cc and wt.
the good thing about this though is that now the litigation stage is over.
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Guardian article on this today:
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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I wish they would ruin ur life even more along with so many people on here. I wish they would sue you for defemation of character and lible. I wish they would sue you into bankruptcy. But that ain't going to happen so I guess I will have to accept you will just be kept this hurt.
That is the most vicious comment I have seen on this board, Richard. I hope you will apologise and take it back.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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I don't know why I have been doing so much research when I can just be like everyone else here and just make up whatever I want, as long as I find people who agree with me, it must be true. This is so liberating.
If all that mattered to us was to be in agreement no matter the truth, most of us would still be witnesses. Its because that is not the case that we are not. It is because we have researched that many have left. It is you who need to research. You say you have done so but I have to wonder at that.
The Jw's do not have the truth Richard. You have everything upside down. Maybe you will see it one day. Please continue to research beyond the small niche that you seem focused on now.
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Inactive
by ScottyRex ininactive.......hmmm, what an interesting title (notice, not phrase) that's me.
not a title i ascribe myself, one foisted on me.. jwd -yes.
jw memorial, why of course too.. valid posts on here....yes.
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I think it is unrealistic to expect everyone to be completely fair and balanced after leaving the org. Our brains are not camcorders, they don't work that way. A JW may have had some good times while a witness but they must look back through the veil of subsequent experiences and knowledge and that colours and reorients how it is perceived.
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Are baptized Witnesses that are no longer in the "truth", but were NEVER DF'D, now to be shunned and treated like disfellowshipped ones?
by Dunedain ina relative of mine was telling me, that in his, and a few neighboring congregations, there is a little confusion amongst some of the jw's about this "issue".
some families are having a hard time about whether certain relatives will be attending certain family functions, because some family members that are no longer in the "truth", might be invited to these functions.
mind you, these persons were never disfellowshipped.
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That does make complete sense Flipper.
The whole convention program of outlines are here if required:
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Are baptized Witnesses that are no longer in the "truth", but were NEVER DF'D, now to be shunned and treated like disfellowshipped ones?
by Dunedain ina relative of mine was telling me, that in his, and a few neighboring congregations, there is a little confusion amongst some of the jw's about this "issue".
some families are having a hard time about whether certain relatives will be attending certain family functions, because some family members that are no longer in the "truth", might be invited to these functions.
mind you, these persons were never disfellowshipped.
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As far as what was actually said at the convention is concerned, the outlines are available to read for yourself.
This is the outline for the talk titled 'Shun Unrepentant Wrongdoers'
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqmWMK7dwtlQ2tfT2ttZWtkRUU/view?usp=sharing
The outline says the following
Loyal Christians would not associate with “anyone called a brother” who is practicing serious sin. This is true even if no congregation action has been taken, as may be the case with an inactive one (w85 7/15 19 14) This can be a real trial when a family member is involved. We must not allow strong family ties to lead us to compromise loyalty to Jehovah and his organization (w13 1/15 15-16 16-20)
They use the term 'serious sin'. That to me does not mean someone who is merely not going to meetings. But I suppose jws will often go beyond the things written as it were.
There was a talk given on Saturday morning regarding how to treat inactive ones.
This is the link to the outline:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqmWMK7dwtlT0FCZ1pwYllob3c/view?usp=sharing
It says:
THEY ARE RELATED TO US IN THE FAITH (1 min.) We are especially interested in helping inactive ones because they are our spiritual brothers and sisters [Read Galatians 6:10] Unlike unbelievers, inactive ones started running in the race for life but may have stopped because of anxieties, hurt feelings, or a sense of guilt (Heb 12:1) We should reflect Jehovah’s interest in helping them (Eze 34:16a) The organization made a concerted effort to visit inactive publishers during the recent Memorial season, and our interest in helping them to return is ongoing HELP THEM RETURN “TO THE SHEPHERD” (5 min.) Inactive ones can return to Jehovah [Read 1 Peter 2:25] Jehovah sent prophets and finally his Son to help the nation of Israel to return (it-2 565 3) Jehovah can use us to help inactive ones return to him. A brief telephone call or a visit will remind them that they have not been forgotten by their spiritual family (km 2/07 8) When inactive publishers attend a congregation meeting, we should welcome them warmly. Avoid asking questions or making statements that may embarrass them. When we meet inactive ones, we should promptly let the elders know. Elders take the lead in ‘going after the lost one’ (Lu 15:4-7) They arrange to visit inactive ones at least once a year. Lost sheep are to be carried back gently by the elders (Lu 15:5) Elders understand that sheep separated from the congregation are likely to be exhausted from mistreatment in Satan’s world and from lack of spiritual nutrition Elders should ensure that all inactive ones receive a copy of the brochure Return to Jehovah
None of that help for inactive ones involves socializing with them, but they do not mention this applying to family in this talk, so it seems to me like they are not counseling against socialising with a family member who is inactive but not carrying on serious sin.
Personally, I faded quite some years ago, and I haven't yet had any witness family change their behaviour toward me in the last six months. If they became aware that I was doing something deemed 'serious sin' I suppose that would change. Everyone's experience will be different though, because it relies on individual jw consciences.