I don't really think anyone cares about my opinion. We all must determine what makes sense to us, individually.
I thought this was a discussion forum?
botchtowersociety
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
It could be dynamic without the earthquakesand tsunamis - no problem for a god who gave a shit about his creatures
Show me how you would do it, and show your work.
"Viewed from the distance of the moon, the astonishing thing about the Earth, catching the breath, is that it is alive. Photographs show the dry, pounded surface of the moon in the foreground, dead as an old bone. Aloft, floating free beneath the moist, gleaming membrane of bright blue sky, is the rising earth, the only exuberant thing in this part of the cosmos. If you could look long enough, you would see the swirling of the great drifts of white cloud, covering and uncovering the half-hidden masses of land. And if you had been looking for a very long, geologic time, you would have seen the continents themselves in motion, drifting apart on their crustal plates, held afloat by the fire beneath."
Needless to say, there is no suffering on the Moon.
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
This conversation reminds me of how simple the Calvinistic view is: God created some people to suffer and others to enjoy eternal bliss.
Now, we can move on to another topic.
You seldom give a serious answer or take a position yourself, do you?
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
I reckon I would have at least made the earth less hazardous.
Does a man who refuses to roof his house blame God for freezing in the winter? Was God evil for creating laws that describe what we call "heat" or for making water so that it freezes at 0 degrees.
If a person builds his home under a precariously balanced rock is it God's fault when it falls off and crushes him in his sleep? Was God evil for inventing gravity and rocks?
Besides, if the Earth were not geologically dynamic, life may never have evolved here.
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botchtowersociety
And this is a stupid thread. There is great music from all three countries.
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
botchtower: What prevents God from creating a universe without suffering? Either he cannot or he has not. Or, are there other possibilities.
I believe He cannot.
To create a Universe that allows for free beings like ourselves without the possibility for evil would be a logical impossibility. He may have just as well created a universe full of other logically impossible things, like square circles, or where the mathematics of 2+2 equals 5.
I also notice that my questions went unanswered.
If what God did was evil, is having a child also evil? What prompts a person to bring a child into a suffering world? I know for me it was love.
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
How difficult would it have been for god to make a world where tectonic plates glided smoothly past one another without earthquakes and tsunamis?
I don't know, why don't you tell us?
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
Loftus takes this very idea and argues that God should have therefore created nothing. Creating nothing would be more moral than what we have.
Were your parents immoral for choosing to bring you into the world? Would you rather have not been born?
If you have children, and consciously chose to have them, are you immoral for doing so? If you did so, you know you brought them into a life in which they are positively certain to experience suffering. Would not having taken a part in their existence have been a more moral choice?
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botchtowersociety
Hmmm.
To ensure all users feel safe and keen to participate, please avoid:
Inciting hatred on the basis of ...nationality.
It seems you are the hater you accuse us of being.
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A few Dawkins quotes to think about.
by AK - Jeff in"faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.".
"my last vestige of "hands off religion" respect disappeared in the smoke and choking dust of september 11th 2001, followed by the "national day of prayer," when prelates and pastors did their tremulous martin luther king impersonations and urged people of mutually incompatible faiths to hold hands, united in homage to the very force that caused the problem in the first place.".
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botchtowersociety
Try to exclude the possibility of suffering which the order of nature and the existence of free wills involve, and you will find that you have excluded life itself.
