Posts by Maxee

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"Elder's Kids are the Worst?"

by Pathofthorns in

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i'm not sure if its my limited perspective, but i have heard the saying "elder's kids are the worst".. from my perspective, the saying appears to have much merrit.

if this is true, why would those who seemingly are raised in the "best possible environment" and who would in theory be raised in harmony with the society's direction (good "spiritual routine" , meetings, service, family study etc) turn out the worst?.

could it be that an elder's schedule is too busy for his family?

Maxee

The peer pressure especially on teenagers could propably have a live long emotional effect.

Frenchy Good food for thought

This is a lot of pressure. They want to be part of 'the crowd'. They are already denied this at school and now they are being excluded in the congregation by the other youths who feel that they may squal to their father if they see something not quite 'kosher'! Sometimes that is a little too much

Isn't it pretty usual that all the elders children are active and need to be good examples in the cong otherwise the elder has to step down.
I have seen this happen to an Elder who had 7 daughters. Poor man

On the other side of the coin I have seen a elder a target of gossip by members of the cong because he didn't have children plus a new wife who considerably younger than him.

Edited by - Maxee on 18 June 2000 9:53:23

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Royal law of love or Mosaic law?

by Maxee in

as jehovahs witnesses we see blood as a sacred symbol of life.?

[leviticus 7:26 27][acts 15:28-29].

the majority of friends who have refused blood have done so sometimes in ignorance of what was allowable and why or purely on the trusted word of the faithful and discreet slave.

Maxee

As Jehovahs Witnesses we see blood as a sacred symbol of life.?[Leviticus 7:26 27][Acts 15:28-29]
The majority of friends who have refused blood have done so sometimes in ignorance of what was allowable and why or purely on the trusted word of the faithful and discreet slave. Most of us Should blood as symbol of life take precendence of life itself?
Lets look at Exodus 12:5-30 here it tells us of the passover where God strikes every firstborn in Egypt. Blood over the doors of Jews enabled their firstborn to survive. Here this blood symbolised life.
The importance of blood as a symbol over that of life can be looked at

like a man who puts all importance on his wedding ring (symbolic of his wedded state) than on his marriage and even his wife, so if he were faced with either the sacrafice of his wife or the sacrifice of his ring he would choose the sacrafice of his wife.

We are no longer under the Mosaic law according to Jesus.
. Who do the Faithful and discreet slave choose to listen to ? Is it Jesus or the Mosaic laws set by Jehovah.
If life was at stake on the Sabbath for eg the Isrealites were not obliged to hold to that law even if it were a bull or ox. Luke 14:4

Don't you think it would seem logical to conclude that the same would apply to Mosaic laws on blood?In Mark 2:27 Jesus makes it clear that the mosiac law was made for man not man for law . If it meant sustaining life especially.
Since we are under.... law of love and law of faith... don't you think these points should merit serious thought and meditation?

Any thoughts

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FAQ on WT PR site

by Maxee in

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someone out there has a sence of humour.. [url] http://www.geocities.com/athens/atrium/4914/beliefsfaq2.html[/url].

Maxee

[url] http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/end1.htm[/url]

Hope this isn't too late its sunday arvo in Aus

[url] http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm[/url]

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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????

by Zep in

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ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.

i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?

" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.

Maxee

It's important for us to understand that a C.O. will never admit to you that they share any of your doubts about a certain doctrine. They may express it very diplomatically to the D.O. but never to you. Their job is to convince you that what you are being taught is true regarless of how illogical it really is in your own eyes. There can be no discussion with a C.O. or a D.O. or even with your elders who answer to these guys.
So my question is: What is one to do?

Leave

Sometimes we need to be awakened

waiting heres the new link to shauns site[url] http://www.jwfiles.com/[/url] and the case you are talking about was in Scotland 1954 and Haydon c Covington? The full transcrippt is on the JW research link.

"Unity keeping control of the masses is the most important thing". WHAT FOR???? I know its unbelievable....!!!!
Where is the Christ likeness in those pursuits!
I have also go one for one I think you Frenchy will find will help soothe the pain without bitterness but love. It moved me because at times I find it so difficult not to be angry. We all need to keep faith no matter what .Faith in God and Jesus who empathises with us.

There is no such thing as new light. Who set that protocol. Light is light.
[url] http://www.jwfiles.com/[/url]

Edited by - Maxee on 18 June 2000 2:4:16

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Link to Spiritual Fornication

by Maxee in

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[url] http://www.ripnet.org/navoy.htm[/url].

i know there are examples of this type out here.

trust me i will find them

Maxee

This is a joke surely?

[url] http://watchtower.observer.org/humor/salvation.asp[/url]

Edited by - Maxee on 17 June 2000 5:14:29

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FAQ on WT PR site

by Maxee in

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someone out there has a sence of humour.. [url] http://www.geocities.com/athens/atrium/4914/beliefsfaq2.html[/url].

Maxee

Someone out there has a sence of humour.

[url] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/4914/beliefsfaq2.html[/url]

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Disassociated

by Scorpion in

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it has been an experience to say the least.

i accepted eagerly the teachings of the watchower bible and tract society over the last 7 years.

i have been a dedicated pioneer for four of those years.

Maxee

As it says in the bible the truth will set you free.

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Irony of "Rebellious" Youth

by Pathofthorns in

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i've found it quite interesting talking to several young ones who lead double lives.

the sad thing is, i don't find these ones so wicked.

i find them basically good kids who got a little messed up because no one had any time for them, or attempts to relate were rather lame.. the irony is that while talking to one while he was smoking a cigarette, out of nowhere he says, "but i still believe its the truth".

Maxee

Its sometimes difficult to put into words the pain its reassuring others feel the same way

Maxee

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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????

by Zep in

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friends

ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.

i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?

" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.

Maxee

Another reason they are afraid is these types questions I found this extract on another site regarding the new policy on blood.

It is also possible that the WTS is attempting to deflect some of the criticism it has been receiving in medical journals in recent months over the contradictions and inconsistencies in the policy and improve its position with some European governments who feel that the WTS is a dangerous sect

Asking myself why would the organisation go this far to be allowed into these countries.

please not tax-free $$$$$$$!!!!!!

Edited by - Maxee on 16 June 2000 22:37:25

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Link to Spiritual Fornication

by Maxee in

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[url] http://www.ripnet.org/navoy.htm[/url].

i know there are examples of this type out here.

trust me i will find them

Maxee

Thankyou
I'll let you into a little secret. It has taken me 12 months of pain & practice to be able to post ""click heres"".