ashi - I don't know what you have to deal with tonight, but whatever it is I wish you the best. These words feel dreadfully inadquate. They come from one who knows what it's like to deal with impossible people. Hang in there.
Marilyn
well, my brother and his wife came over to my parent's house to visit today while i was home.. to make a long story short, while my brother and his wife were chatting with my mother in the living room, my 1 and a half year old nephew reilly walked into the kitchen where i was making a caesar salad.. he walked over towards me and was smiling, how can any normal adult resist the innocent smile of a child who is your relative?
i picked him up and gave him a huge hug, and told him i loved him.. as i was holding my nephew in my arms, my brother walked into the room.
he was smack dab in the middle of an in-depth conversation about jehovah with my mother and his wife, and i admit i was rolling my eyes listening to him spew about the "truth" and "the only means for salvation in the last days of this wicked system" even though when i confronted him with info on the un, blood, russell gravesite, rape changes, exclusivity, etc, he had no response for me because he was dumbfounded and lost for words.
ashi - I don't know what you have to deal with tonight, but whatever it is I wish you the best. These words feel dreadfully inadquate. They come from one who knows what it's like to deal with impossible people. Hang in there.
Marilyn
well, my brother and his wife came over to my parent's house to visit today while i was home.. to make a long story short, while my brother and his wife were chatting with my mother in the living room, my 1 and a half year old nephew reilly walked into the kitchen where i was making a caesar salad.. he walked over towards me and was smiling, how can any normal adult resist the innocent smile of a child who is your relative?
i picked him up and gave him a huge hug, and told him i loved him.. as i was holding my nephew in my arms, my brother walked into the room.
he was smack dab in the middle of an in-depth conversation about jehovah with my mother and his wife, and i admit i was rolling my eyes listening to him spew about the "truth" and "the only means for salvation in the last days of this wicked system" even though when i confronted him with info on the un, blood, russell gravesite, rape changes, exclusivity, etc, he had no response for me because he was dumbfounded and lost for words.
ashi, funny you should say this, but if you read my post, previous to yours, when I lost my temper with my sister and her PO idiot husband, their daughter was listening in the next room. What I didn't tell them, isn't worth mentioning. Not long after this incident my beautiful young niece left home. Raised in 100% dub atmostphere with 100% dub reasoning for 16 years, she most probably listened to me, and heard sense for the first time in her life. Her leaving home at such a tender age, just about killed them. She remains dub free several years later.
Sometimes these dubbies learn hard lessons for their inability to show compassion to others.
Marilyn ps interesting that you and I are tired of being understanding - and just want to punch their stupid heads into a brick wall!!!!!
well, my brother and his wife came over to my parent's house to visit today while i was home.. to make a long story short, while my brother and his wife were chatting with my mother in the living room, my 1 and a half year old nephew reilly walked into the kitchen where i was making a caesar salad.. he walked over towards me and was smiling, how can any normal adult resist the innocent smile of a child who is your relative?
i picked him up and gave him a huge hug, and told him i loved him.. as i was holding my nephew in my arms, my brother walked into the room.
he was smack dab in the middle of an in-depth conversation about jehovah with my mother and his wife, and i admit i was rolling my eyes listening to him spew about the "truth" and "the only means for salvation in the last days of this wicked system" even though when i confronted him with info on the un, blood, russell gravesite, rape changes, exclusivity, etc, he had no response for me because he was dumbfounded and lost for words.
Quite honestly, I think your first reaction was correct. I've been disfed for over 20 years and I no longer feel that behaving like a decent human being is the way to go. I think shitty actions require equally shitty reactions. In fact a good punch in the face would have done your brother more good than your restraint.
I put up with family shit, such as you discribe, for many years. However, I was finally left alone, when I lost my cool and tore shreds off my relatives for their hypocrisy and double standards. I also threatened to take their actions to the media and report their foul behavior to the popular press. Since then, I've been left alone to visit my jw parents.
I really don't think we do enough to help those left inside. We try to be reasonable and it doesn't get us anywhere. You should have told your bother that his behavior is disgusting and he should be ashamed of himself. Tell him his religion is utter and unadulterated bullshit and it's time he woke up to the lies and convoluted arguments they hide behind.
Seriously I think it's time we started a new approach. We should start shouting at them to wake up. Begging them to look and see what they are involved in. We should be trying harder to help them. And I should stop drinking this white wine, even if it is Friday nite and I'm sick of waiting for hubby to come home from work!
Marilyn
i've been lurking for a few days, trying to get a feel for the board.
h2o used to be my regular hangout.
boy, has that place changed.
Hi Linda, What name did you use on H20? The old H20 was great - I miss its format and prefer it to this one. Here you just get lost in the crowd. But beggers can't be choosers.
Are you possibly Linda from Texas? If so, long time no see.
Marilyn
while reading another thread on apostates, i did a quick search on the word apostate on the wt cd.
these people are really paranoid about us!.
*** it-1 127 apostasy ***.
;;;;;;;While still making profession of faith in God’s Word,
I did not profess faith in God's word. I was disfellowshipped for having no faith in God's word. Must they use a blanket term to cover all apostates? Even by their own definition they get it wrong. I am an apostate. None of their bullshit fits the description of a real apostate. They are delusional.
DR the material you posted is sickening.
someone on another board posted that the long awaited dateline story will air may 28. i don't know how she knows she just posted it and so i thought i would put it here in case someone else has heard something.
WHAT WAS SHE WEARING? They just don't get it do they? She had blonde hair and big tits (her genetic makeup) so she had to have been asking for it. Men can be forgiven for leaving the plain girls alone, but for gods sake, the good looking ones are asking for it.
The Governor General of Australia recently made the same mistake. He, an ex clearyman, refused to censure a priest for molestation, on the grounds the girl was "asking for it". Actually she was just a plain, homely girl - so I'm not sure how SHE was asking for it. But had she been blonde with good clothes sense, or big breasts, she certainly would have desrved the attention of some old pervert in the priesthood - right? It took the Governor General some time to catch on to his mistake and only then because the Australian people called for his resignation. Unbelievable.
below is an interesting letter from walter salter [prominent jw in canada]if i'm not mistaken is was branch manager of ther canadian wts.
anyways, this is a letter to judge rutherford.. __________________.
box no.
very interesting. thanx for posting it.
Marilyn
did i miss something?!!
is sometime trying to send a "cya" message to the... well, i guess the media and general pub... no, wait... i know... their "members"!
we don't condone... or hide... child molestation!
DakotaRed, RECTIFIED is not in their vocabulary. Just give me one instance that they have rectified a mistake???
Marilyn
did i miss something?!!
is sometime trying to send a "cya" message to the... well, i guess the media and general pub... no, wait... i know... their "members"!
we don't condone... or hide... child molestation!
and the disintegration of natural family love that overrun modern society
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Not to mention the disintergration of natural family love at the hands of the Watchtower Society.
remember those signs the brothers used to carry around the conventions in the corridors during the sessions?
"quiet please".
"please be seated".
No puking!